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re: Origins of Apathy: LSU Has Not Won a Big Game in Three Years
Posted on 11/2/10 at 4:21 pm to jdrumdog
Posted on 11/2/10 at 4:21 pm to jdrumdog
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You completely missed the point. And, fwiw, being a fan of LSU football two decades ago means exactly WHAT nowadays? Are those players and coaches on the field?
And you missed the point. If it takes you 2.5 years to lose interest in a game against Bama in TS, I see some bandwagon tendencies. Why? Because no matter how much bitching you may, or I may, do on this board, I will be cheering my arse off on Saturday. You, however, appear to be apathetic to the point of being unable to even be excited over the prospects of an LSU game.
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Posted on 11/2/10 at 4:21 pm to wahoocs
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You don't get it, and you are far from being the type of fan who actually makes a difference.
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It's the bandwagon fans that make a difference.
Thank you?
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These are not the people capable of keeping the program at an elite level.
You assume that the program will only stay at an elite level if they can inflate ticket prices? Give me a break.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 4:22 pm to The312
It's such a laugher to me that MSU, a team that, since I was a Freshman in 1995, we've lost to once--in our worst season, 1999--is now cited as a big win. We never lose to MSU. No disrespect to MSU, but they're MSU.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 4:23 pm to jdrumdog
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How is that not a big game? It's arguable it could be an even BIGGER game.
frick you're dumb. IT IS A BIG GAME. But being a top ten team isn't the ONLY criteria for considering a game a "big game". See post about Oregon earlier. That was a big game to me, even if they are struggling on many fronts this year and nowhere near the top ten.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 4:23 pm to jdrumdog
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Then you are most likely part of the problem, not the solution.
Maybe you should let the season play out before assessing what "problems" we have. If we witness a team that falls flat on its face at 7-5 respond by posting an additional 2 wins in consecutive seasons, I'll say the problem isn't with the team but with those who cling to it.
Apathy is the root of its own problem.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 4:26 pm to geaux99
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It's such a laugher to me that MSU, a team that, since I was a Freshman in 1995, we've lost to once--in our worst season, 1999--is now cited as a big win. We never lose to MSU. No disrespect to MSU, but they're MSU.
And I'm sure most, including myself, consider such a win an expectation. But when they are 7-2 and playing well, I think in retrospect it will be a big win. Now they could sputter down the stretch and be mediocre, but right now that's a better win then we expected. I'm sure at the beginning of the year, most would have found Auburn to be a bad loss, as nobody was expecting them to be this good offensively with Cam. Now, the loss certainly sucks, especially considering how we played, but I wouldn't categorize losing to a top five team on the road as a bad loss.
This is really just arguing theories at this point. I'm upset over the loss to AU. We should have won and the offense was pathetic. Just noting that expectations of how a team is and how they actually are changes a perspective about the "value" of a win or loss.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 4:30 pm to chilge1
If that's all you can gather from what I posted, I wasted my time.
Good luck with your screaming and bliss on Saturday. I'll savor every opportunity to do the same, because I'm not expecting those occasions to present themselves quite like you do.
You are a simpleton, BTW. The other poster pegged you correctly.
Good luck with your screaming and bliss on Saturday. I'll savor every opportunity to do the same, because I'm not expecting those occasions to present themselves quite like you do.
You are a simpleton, BTW. The other poster pegged you correctly.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 4:33 pm to Tiger Authority
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And you missed the point. If it takes you 2.5 years to lose interest in a game against Bama in TS, I see some bandwagon tendencies. Why? Because no matter how much bitching you may, or I may, do on this board, I will be cheering my arse off on Saturday. You, however, appear to be apathetic to the point of being unable to even be excited over the prospects of an LSU game.
Nice sidestep. Right over your head, I assume. Is there any reason why you can't consider another point of view?
Posted on 11/2/10 at 4:36 pm to chilge1
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Maybe you should let the season play out before assessing what "problems" we have. If we witness a team that falls flat on its face at 7-5 respond by posting an additional 2 wins in consecutive seasons, I'll say the problem isn't with the team but with those who cling to it.
Didn't say waiting until the season is/was over was a bad idea.
Apathy is not the root of its own problem. That's what things called "motivational tools" are used for. It's also a really good thing to use when coaching individuals. You identify root causes of said apathy, solve the problem, move on.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 4:38 pm to The312
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The312
A very well-written OP. I agree with it, although this apathy is nothing that a merely average offense couldnt fix. This offense is just hard to watch. It's like watching porno with fat girls. I love porno and its hard to turn away, but it isnt as enjoyable as it should be.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 4:39 pm to Tiger Authority
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but right now that's a better win then we expected.
I agree.
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Now, the loss certainly sucks, especially considering how we played, but I wouldn't categorize losing to a top five team on the road as a bad loss.
You nailed it in your own sentence. It's how we played, not the fact that we lost to a top five team. That, as pointed out in by the OP, is one of the reasons for concern and skepticism.
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Just noting that expectations of how a team is and how they actually are changes a perspective about the "value" of a win or loss.
So, the question is, what is this team actually? And is there no reason why you can't see why some people are confused about who/what this team is?
Posted on 11/2/10 at 4:52 pm to jdrumdog
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Apathy is not the root of its own problem.
If you're largely apathetic when you enter the realm, then it follows that you're entirely apathetic when you encounter hardships.
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That's what things called "motivational tools" are used for. It's also a really good thing to use when coaching individuals. You identify root causes of said apathy, solve the problem, move on.
No one has suggested the players are apathetic.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 4:52 pm to Nike1
quote:yes please continue because next I think you'll mention Vandy as a big win
We beat Florida at their place this year. West Virigina, North Carolina, Miss State this year. Auburn and Arkansas were both big games last year.Killed Ga Tech 2 years ago (big bowl game). Do I need to continue?
Posted on 11/2/10 at 4:56 pm to wahoocs
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You are a simpleton, BTW.
No shite. As a general rule, when you examine the inner workings of how something can come to be, it makes it that much less remarkable that it is.
Forgive me for wanting to preserve the magic of LSU football.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 5:00 pm to The312
What about Florida 2010?
I think you are picking and choosing what is a big game and what is not.
2008 Auburn ended up sucking, but at the time was a "big game."
I think you walk a fine line of trying to say this game is big and this game isn't.
One win or one loss for a team can drastically change a season. I think Texas is as bad as their record says (certainly not bad enough to lose to Iowa State and Baylor), but after losing to OU, their season spiraled out of control.
Whereas winning a big game can give you the confidence to play above your capabilities and win games you shouldn't.
Yes, it is frustrating that we didn't beat Alabama last year (just like no one else did). Nor Florida (just like no else but Bama did). But at what point do you concede that sometimes the teams we play are just really damn good and hard to beat? It's not like LSU is the only team losing to these teams...
And the Ole Miss games, yeah, frustrating. But a case could definitely be made that the past two years they were simply better than us.
ETA: Let's say we beat Bama this weekend. Then Bama loses to MSU in a let down and Auburn at the end of the season. Then you will term that not a "big" win, even though by all accounts right now it is big.
I think you are picking and choosing what is a big game and what is not.
2008 Auburn ended up sucking, but at the time was a "big game."
I think you walk a fine line of trying to say this game is big and this game isn't.
One win or one loss for a team can drastically change a season. I think Texas is as bad as their record says (certainly not bad enough to lose to Iowa State and Baylor), but after losing to OU, their season spiraled out of control.
Whereas winning a big game can give you the confidence to play above your capabilities and win games you shouldn't.
Yes, it is frustrating that we didn't beat Alabama last year (just like no one else did). Nor Florida (just like no else but Bama did). But at what point do you concede that sometimes the teams we play are just really damn good and hard to beat? It's not like LSU is the only team losing to these teams...
And the Ole Miss games, yeah, frustrating. But a case could definitely be made that the past two years they were simply better than us.
ETA: Let's say we beat Bama this weekend. Then Bama loses to MSU in a let down and Auburn at the end of the season. Then you will term that not a "big" win, even though by all accounts right now it is big.
This post was edited on 11/2/10 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 11/2/10 at 5:04 pm to OBUDan
quote:they were an overtime away from 4 losses already
What about Florida 2010?
Posted on 11/2/10 at 5:04 pm to OBUDan
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And the Ole Miss games, yeah, frustrating. But a case could definitely be made that the past two years they were simply better than us.
A better case would be that LSU needed to redefine their goals for the season once the SEC was out of reach. What's your motivation when at best you're playing for a "more premiere" bowl? It's been noticeable in both 2008 and 2009, and could very well happen again this year should we *cough* let this game slip by us.
Nobody ever understands how huge psychological and motivational factors are in athletics. It's always a case of the bigger and faster guy dominating.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 5:06 pm to Ford Frenzy
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they were an overtime away from 4 losses already
You do know that the loser of the LSU-UF game usually tanks the rest of the season in recent years do you?
That is how big games like that can be.
If we lost, this will be yet another game where people will say that LSU couldn't win.
Posted on 11/2/10 at 5:10 pm to Nike1
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We beat Florida at their place this year.
Ooooohhhh
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Do I need to continue?
Yes...you need to continue
Posted on 11/2/10 at 5:11 pm to The312
The theory of a "big" game is relative.
LSU's program has reached a level of success where there are very few games a year that are considered to be "big" games. Think about the 90's, there seemed to be a "big" game each week. The reason was that LSU was struggling so much and almost every team they played was ranked higher and had a better record. For example, I remember being in TS in 1993 pulling hard for a 5-5 LSU team to beat a 6-4 Arkansas team, just so LSU could become bowl eligble. That was a "big" game for us fans then because our expectations of the program were so low. Would the Independence Bowl be a "big" game this year? It sure in the hell was in 1995
The apathy of the fan base is due to elevated expectations.
In 2000 a game between LSU and Miss. St where both teams were ranked in the 12-25 range was "big." This season fans were apathetic about the LSU/WVU game, a game between 2 top 25 teams. The fact is, the expectations of the fan base (stated or not) is SEC and National Championship or bust. We veiw "big" games as those that are only against teams ranked in the top 10. Once you've reached the pinnacle of the mountain, people feel that anything lower is unacceptable. It's human nature. Very few people want to leave thier $200K job and lifestyle to return to their status when they were making $25K.
Fair or not, LSU as a program is judged upon how they compare to similar programs, and those programs are the elites: Fla., Bama, AU (this year), USC (pre-probation), etc. The apathy comes from viewing a very small and select group as equal or better than you. Only playing and beating that small group will constitute as a "big" game anymore to the majority of the fanbase. The bitching and loathing comes from the fear of falling out of that select circle.
LSU's program has reached a level of success where there are very few games a year that are considered to be "big" games. Think about the 90's, there seemed to be a "big" game each week. The reason was that LSU was struggling so much and almost every team they played was ranked higher and had a better record. For example, I remember being in TS in 1993 pulling hard for a 5-5 LSU team to beat a 6-4 Arkansas team, just so LSU could become bowl eligble. That was a "big" game for us fans then because our expectations of the program were so low. Would the Independence Bowl be a "big" game this year? It sure in the hell was in 1995
The apathy of the fan base is due to elevated expectations.
In 2000 a game between LSU and Miss. St where both teams were ranked in the 12-25 range was "big." This season fans were apathetic about the LSU/WVU game, a game between 2 top 25 teams. The fact is, the expectations of the fan base (stated or not) is SEC and National Championship or bust. We veiw "big" games as those that are only against teams ranked in the top 10. Once you've reached the pinnacle of the mountain, people feel that anything lower is unacceptable. It's human nature. Very few people want to leave thier $200K job and lifestyle to return to their status when they were making $25K.
Fair or not, LSU as a program is judged upon how they compare to similar programs, and those programs are the elites: Fla., Bama, AU (this year), USC (pre-probation), etc. The apathy comes from viewing a very small and select group as equal or better than you. Only playing and beating that small group will constitute as a "big" game anymore to the majority of the fanbase. The bitching and loathing comes from the fear of falling out of that select circle.
This post was edited on 11/2/10 at 5:14 pm
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