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One thing nobody can question CPM on.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:24 pm
He always protects his pitchers and keeps their future in mind above anything else.
When you get to the post season and watch some of these teams send a pitcher out on Friday for 100 pitches and then toss them back out there for another 80 in an elimination game, its pretty stupid (unless the pitcher is a senior and is about to be finished playing baseball forever).
There are a TON of coaches who would be putting Lange back out there Tuesday night for the start. I would not be the least bit surprised to see the coach in the other dug out to do this on Wednesday. Dont expect Faedo to start Wednesday, but I bet his starter is on a super short Leash and he is quick to make the move and let him throw 70-80 pitches.
Pitchers, and players, come to LSU from all over the USA to prepare themselves for professional baseball. And CPM does a great job of prolonging their baseball life after LSU.
When you get to the post season and watch some of these teams send a pitcher out on Friday for 100 pitches and then toss them back out there for another 80 in an elimination game, its pretty stupid (unless the pitcher is a senior and is about to be finished playing baseball forever).
There are a TON of coaches who would be putting Lange back out there Tuesday night for the start. I would not be the least bit surprised to see the coach in the other dug out to do this on Wednesday. Dont expect Faedo to start Wednesday, but I bet his starter is on a super short Leash and he is quick to make the move and let him throw 70-80 pitches.
Pitchers, and players, come to LSU from all over the USA to prepare themselves for professional baseball. And CPM does a great job of prolonging their baseball life after LSU.
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:28 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Can't agree more. Nice job CPM. 
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:30 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Did Skip wear Ben out at LSU? I feel like he didn't really do much in the pros. That said, i was like 16 when his MLB career ended so i didn't follow it that closely. Just seems like there was a huge drop off once he left college.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:31 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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I would not be the least bit surprised to see the coach in the other dug out to do this on Wednesday
I doubt this. I agree the PM does a great job of protecting his pitchers, but I don't think O'Sullivan does it any less. Faedo may come out of the pen if we play Wednesday and they have a lead to protect. But i highly doubt he starts a game on 3 days rest.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:38 pm to FishinTygah84
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Did Skip wear Ben out at LSU?
Ben said in one of the broadcasts this season that Skip told him years later that he used him too much..they just didn't know any better at that time, everyone was doing it.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:42 pm to FishinTygah84
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Did Skip wear Ben out at LSU?
Not sure about Ben -- but Scott Shultz, he sure did. Shultz was a workhorse -- but Skip pitched him way too much and seriously overworked him, by today's standards.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:45 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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There are a TON of coaches who would be putting Lange back out there Tuesday night for the start.
I don't think this is as common as it once was. There still are some Wayne Grahams out there but I think most college coaches have gotten the memo. They realize that if they abuse their arms, eventually they'll stop getting arms. LSU sells itself to pitching prospects by telling them that they'll get 1st rate instruction from Dunn and will still have plenty of arm left when they get to the majors.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:17 pm to The Godfather
He started him, and used him as a closer at times, too.
Remember going to the LSU v. UNO game at Privateer Park, mid-week, had to be 1989.
Little short, skinny guy, Sean Franceschi tied up LSU for 8 innings. He didn't have a fastball, really, but had movement on his breaking ball, and hit his spots that night. UNO had a 6-3 lead, iIrc, when he left. Threw a gem. Tom Schwaner put in this fireballer named Todd Pick. LSU lit him up like a Christmas Tree in the top of the 9th to take the lead.
Skip responded by bringing in Ben McDonald to shut down the Bucs, which he did.
Remember going to the LSU v. UNO game at Privateer Park, mid-week, had to be 1989.
Little short, skinny guy, Sean Franceschi tied up LSU for 8 innings. He didn't have a fastball, really, but had movement on his breaking ball, and hit his spots that night. UNO had a 6-3 lead, iIrc, when he left. Threw a gem. Tom Schwaner put in this fireballer named Todd Pick. LSU lit him up like a Christmas Tree in the top of the 9th to take the lead.
Skip responded by bringing in Ben McDonald to shut down the Bucs, which he did.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:25 pm to MountainTiger
I get not doing this in a regular season but in CWS finals, to pitch a day early if arm feels good and maybe for 3-4 innings? Don't think their arm will break, maybe they lose control faster and need to come out. Or maybe they shine and win it for the team. Stop being so dramatic..
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:28 pm to ibleedprplngld
Yeah I'm pretty sure O'Sullivan is regarded as one of the most conservative coaches around in terms of using his pitchers. I think that may be a big reason why you continue to see UF get those top pitching recruits that turn into high first round draft picks.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:31 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
He's no Don Baylor that's for sure.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:37 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
I don't think that there is any problem with Faedo pitching to a 50 count or so on Wed. It's just that time of year... first rounder or not. All of these pitchers were handled properly all year long and now that they are deep into Omaha, it's do or die.
What I really liked about CPM was that he brought it up in their joint press conf when he said that he would hear it from his friend in the Cubs' org if he pitched Lange on Tues. Most viewers who know what's up saw it as a slight jab at Fla's coach maybe pitching Faedo on the same rest on Wed after throwing 120.
Paul def came out ahead after that presser.
What I really liked about CPM was that he brought it up in their joint press conf when he said that he would hear it from his friend in the Cubs' org if he pitched Lange on Tues. Most viewers who know what's up saw it as a slight jab at Fla's coach maybe pitching Faedo on the same rest on Wed after throwing 120.
Paul def came out ahead after that presser.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:41 pm to Amblin
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Stop being so dramatic..
How was I being dramatic?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:51 pm to The Godfather
quote:Well, when we beat A&M (team that had about the same record as OSU did this yr), we had to win 2 games on the final day. Ben pitched a complete game if I remember right, to win the first one, and came back to pitch the 9th in game 2.
Did Skip wear Ben out at LSU?
Ben said in one of the broadcasts this season that Skip told him years later that he used him too much..they just didn't know any better at that time, everyone was doing it.
Pretty sure that when Stanford hit the HR on him, it was a similar situation, he didn't start that game, was relieving, but had started either earlier that day, or the day before.
Like it's been stated, that wasn't that uncommon back then, if you had a stud you used him.
Who knows if Ben would have had a better MLB career, but we definitely thought it was going to be better than it turned out. He had a good one, but people thought he was the next Clemens or Ryan.
Out of curiousity, didn't Clemens go to Texas- did they use him the same way?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:54 pm to Scoob
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Well, when we beat A&M (team that had about the same record as OSU did this yr), we had to win 2 games on the final day. Ben pitched a complete game if I remember right, to win the first one, and came back to pitch the 9th in game 2.
Ben always talks about being pulled from the mound and going out to play left field in case he needed to come back in relief. (Wonder how many pitchers have a win and a save in the same game?)
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:04 pm to MountainTiger
quote:ok, yeah that sounds familiar.
Ben always talks about being pulled from the mound and going out to play left field in case he needed to come back in relief
I remember occasionally seeing guys do this, but it's been awhile. Not with LSU, but I kinda remember somebody doing this specifically to get a lefty-on-lefty matchup- move the starter to the outfield to bring someone in to face a particular batter, and after that at-bat, bring the starter back to the mound.
You don't see that happening anymore. Is it now illegal, or just taboo with the arms?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:08 pm to Scoob
As far as I know, it isn't illegal. Not sure why it's no longer done.
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