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re: Oh No-----------tell me it ain't so.......Athlon's SEC coaching thoughts...
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:24 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:24 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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If not running the defense,not running the offense,not hiring the staff is running a program then I've been running programs all my life.
He still won't be running the offense, or defense. He did hire some good staff. When he took over the first thing LSU accomplishes, is break their own SEC offensive record against Mizzu. Not bad for 1 weeks notice. In spite of holding the staff together he finishes 7-2.
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:30 pm to old man tiger
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He still won't be running the offense, or defense
His fingerprints will be all over the program though. When you count hisninterim tenure as running a program what youre saying his that as a dline coach he had his fingerprints on the team.
Going forward he chose to keep or hire the staff. Going forward he gets the credit and the blame because it will be his decisions that will make or break the program.
Since he has been named HC I can't fault him for anything. He did great keeping the class together and did great shutting down satellite camps.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:36 pm to old man tiger
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LSU accomplishes, is break their own SEC offensive record against Mizzu
You mean the 118th ranked run defense?
We ran for 420 yards.
Also, the offense looking good after firing miles is more of an indictment of Miles than a plus for O. I take it you were for keeping Ensminger as OC?
I actually think he will be successful at lsu. We have talent all over the field and have 2 great coordinators and we don't have a head coach refusing to use the middle of the field in the passing game.
This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:39 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Since he has been named HC I can't fault him for anything. He did great keeping the class together and did great shutting down satellite camps.
at least we agree on something. But I really was impressed on how he kept things together and the way this team played last year with him as head coach. I think the attitude of the team changed as well and took on his personality. Yes he has a lot to prove but I think he will be successful.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 2:53 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Yeah because youre clearly ok with posters that have the same opinion as yours
I've actually told you before that I agree with you as far as Miles is concerned.
This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 5/24/17 at 3:17 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Look. I get that Rickdaddy has an absolutely deserved reputation on this board that makes him insufferable.
But, the reality is, it's absolutely dead on to say that Coach O hasn't been LSU's head coach yet. Those who don't understand this don't understand what being a head coach means at a major college.
No one in here is going to confuse me with a Miles fan either, so save those barbs.
I hope O does well. I hope his hire turns out to be a great example of a risk working out.
But, the bottom line TODAY is, he has the worst resume in the SEC. He's NEVER had a successful Coordinator position and he's NEVER had a successful HC position.
That's not being nega. I don't consider it a given that he will fail. He may well succeed.
But, wanting him to succeed doesn't require head in sand syndrome.
But, the reality is, it's absolutely dead on to say that Coach O hasn't been LSU's head coach yet. Those who don't understand this don't understand what being a head coach means at a major college.
No one in here is going to confuse me with a Miles fan either, so save those barbs.
I hope O does well. I hope his hire turns out to be a great example of a risk working out.
But, the bottom line TODAY is, he has the worst resume in the SEC. He's NEVER had a successful Coordinator position and he's NEVER had a successful HC position.
That's not being nega. I don't consider it a given that he will fail. He may well succeed.
But, wanting him to succeed doesn't require head in sand syndrome.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 3:34 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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quote: Since then at USC and LSU he is 12-4 overall and 10-3 in conference play It's amazing how many people consider 8 games of not choosing the staff, not running the offense,and not running the defense as running a program. How much of a coach's fingerprints are on a program when he goes from position coach to head coach?
Valid points.
But, as I see it, the worth of a HC is determined by:
1) Chief executive officer CEO. Hiring subordinates (Replacing Cameron with Ensminger and Ensminger with Canada, plus DC retention bodes well), setting goals and training schedules, setting goals in game planning, and making coaching "suggestions" for adjustments and play calling during games.
2) Recruiting. Setting up a recruiting structure, strategy, goals, and targets. Plus, having enough personality too close the "hard" ones.
3) Motivation. Keeping your staff motivated, productive, and on target more properly falls under a HC's CEO role, but motivating the players is critical. Players are little more than boys. But the kids have to bring 3 things to win a game: talent (recruiting), training (coaching), and emotional commitment (motivation). Superiority in 2 out of 3 usually equals victory, and 3out of 3 almost guarantees it.
So far! In his limited role! Coach O looks very good as CEO. Pun not intended, but noted!
For LSU to recruit well, they have to lock down 90% of state talent, successfully raid Texas and Mississippi, and cherry pick from the other 47 states and lately Australia. In my opinion, Coach O has the chops for recruiting and did very well in 1st year as CEO.
Motivation? This is probably his strongest suit!
So I'm optimistic, and if I wrote for Athion or coached, I'd put O in the top 4 or 5. Certainly not number 1 or 13!
Posted on 5/24/17 at 3:44 pm to old man tiger
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But I really was impressed on how he kept things together and the way this team played last year with him as head coach
Let's just hope it's more of the arky,olemiss,missourri games and not the bama and uf games.
This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 5/24/17 at 3:50 pm to ShortyRob
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I hope O does well. I hope his hire turns out to be a great example of a risk working out.
But, the bottom line TODAY is, he has the worst resume in the SEC. He's NEVER had a successful Coordinator position and he's NEVER had a successful HC position.
That's not being nega. I don't consider it a given that he will fail. He may well succeed.
But, wanting him to succeed doesn't require head in sand syndrome.
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Look. I get that Rickdaddy has an absolutely deserved reputation on this board that makes him insufferable.
I thought I was universally loved on here. So much so that my last post ever on here will change how time is viewed and will usher in a new calender.
1AR(1AfterRickdaddy4188)
Posted on 5/24/17 at 3:53 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I thought the bama game was hard fought. The florida game was a comedy of errors and one that should not have been lost. I really think we win 10 games this year and turn the corner toward making the playoffs. I think we r just a good qb away as long as we keep the staff in tac
Posted on 5/24/17 at 4:03 pm to old man tiger
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I thought the bama game was hard fought
We had 6 1st downs and 125 yards of offense. It was almost as bad as 1/9/12. Almost. Western Kentucky and Chattanooga had more yards and 1st downs against bama than we did.
quote:I agree but you can't tout the good offensive performances and then just brush off the bad.
The florida game was a comedy of errors and one that should not have been lost
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I really think we win 10 games this year and turn the corner toward making the playoffs
We should win 10 games at minimum. We just fired a coach that won 10 games 4 of the last 5 years(yes I'm counting mcneese as a win). Surely we didn't fire a coach that consistently won 10 games to hire a coach we "hope" can win 10 games.
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I think we r just a good qb away as long as we keep the staff in tac
I believe Canada can get us good qb play. It will be nice seeing the offense mold around the strength of the players rather than forcing players to play a certain way.
I truly believe Coach will be successful as long as Aranda is on staff.
This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 5/24/17 at 4:06 pm to gettin there
List looks about right. There's no objective means whatsoever to rank Orgeron ahead of any of the 12 coaches in front of him.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 4:17 pm to TheDeathValley
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Bielma
He's won 25 games at Arkansas. In Houston Nutt's worst four years, he won 22.
Bert sure got a lot of mileage from beating up on a crappy Big10 over the years.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 5:00 pm to logjamming
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He's won 25 games at Arkansas. In Houston Nutt's worst four years, he won 22.
Bert sure got a lot of mileage from beating up on a crappy Big10 over the years.
Houston Nutt's resume is also way better than Coach O's resume. I don't understand why you would bring him up.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 5:19 pm to gettin there
God there are some bad coaches in this conference
Posted on 5/24/17 at 7:30 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Spot on.
But, the bottom line TODAY is, he has the worst resume in the SEC. He's NEVER had a successful Coordinator position and he's NEVER had a successful HC position.
That's not being nega. I don't consider it a given that he will fail. He may well succeed.
But, wanting him to succeed doesn't require head in sand syndrome.
I find the posters comical and the arguments ignorant.
- You want CEO to fail, some LSU fan you are!
- Give the guy a break, everyone deserves a second chance.
- Don't rank my coach next to last, he's much better than those other failures.
Here are the facts:
- Every LSU fan wants CEO to succeed.
- CEO was not qualified to be LSU football HC.
- Alleva got his precious feelings hurt and hired CEO.
- CEO has only run a program one time - and it was a complete and utter failure - even by Ole Piss standards.
- If CEO was positioning himself for a second chance, his career history doesn't show it.
- He was literally out of football when Miles hired him. There wasn't a timeline to go coach a smaller school, learn up and better his chops.
- And with all of that, he's LSU HC and somehow he should be ranked above 12/13 other SEC coaches?
I hope CEO goes undefeated as LSU HC, skulls everyone in LSU's path. But to think he should be ranked high on some arbitrary list of SEC coaches is retarded.
Posted on 5/24/17 at 7:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Let's just hope it's more of the arky,olemiss,missourri games and not the bama and uf games.
Don't forget the A & M game or the Bowl Game...
Make sure you DON'T give him nay more credit Ricky........
Posted on 5/24/17 at 7:44 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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I don't count any interim tenure as running a program.
Then WHY bash O about the FLA loss last year??????
Posted on 5/24/17 at 9:31 pm to gettin there
" ONE TEAM ONE HEART BEAT BABBBYYY "
Posted on 5/25/17 at 12:40 am to dukke v
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Don't forget the A & M game or the Bowl Game...
K.
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Make sure you DON'T give him nay more credit Ricky........
You mean like how you attribute the 1st 3 YEARS of Miles' tenure to Saban and then turn around and give Ed Orgeron credit during an interim tenure.
I gave/will give credit for the bowl game,keeping the class together,and what we accomplish from here on out.
Unlike you I realize that it's the actual head coach winning those games and not his predecessor.
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