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re: Official Offensive Playcalling Thread
Posted on 9/20/10 at 1:28 pm to just me
Posted on 9/20/10 at 1:28 pm to just me
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How many punts or turnovers did LSU have?
I will point out that you don't generally punt from field goal range.
This says nothing of his ability to move the ball. Not directed at the above but I love the people on here saying he didn't have yards because we had a short field. No, we didn't rack up yards because we didn't move the ball but were lucky enough to be in field goal range when we got stopped.
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Posted on 9/20/10 at 1:31 pm to TheLurch30
quote:Sadly I believe most thinking people would agree that the only possibility of this happening is for JL to be in at QB. Of course, that would mean JJ is not in the game. It would also invoke scary memories of what JL did as our freshman QB and then versus LA Tech last year. Still, JJ in ought to be scary enough, since there is a red zone TD drought under his leadership and either the coaches have no confidence in his ability, or in fact he has no real ability to be field general.
All meaningless words aside, it's depressing to watch highlights from other teams from games in our own conference where a receiver catches a ball in stride and goes 60 yards downfield for a touchdown. At this point in the season, it seems hopeless to see that from the purple and gold this year.
I think he does have more ability than we are seeing, but he is suffering from being smothered by nanny-coaches who won't let him take risks.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 1:32 pm to Chicken
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First and goal at their 10...we run three Ridley three times and settle for another FG. No throws to the endzone. Why? Does this really help Jefferson's development?
That play represents the Offensive "mind set" if there is one. Again, the STAFF may have concluded that that is LSUs best (and only) chance to score. I am convinced that they are hesitant to put too much more on a limited QB.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 1:45 pm to BobBoucher
quote:So what you are really trying to say is that Jefferson got the ball eight times, only two within field goal range, and LSU scored on seven out of those eight times. And of the two times within field goal range, LSU scored a touchdown.quote:what was our average starting field position, like their 46 yard line? damn near FG territory.
More importantly, Jefferson put his team in scoring position on every possession except for one.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 1:48 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:2009 called and asked you to check your assertions for accuracy.
Still, JJ in ought to be scary enough, since there is a red zone TD drought under his leadership and either the coaches have no confidence in his ability, or in fact he has no real ability to be field general.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 1:50 pm to White Tiger
JJ can throw downfield. He has shown the ability to do so, however, the coaches are not allowing this, for whatever reason. I noticed Saturday night that, until middle ways of the third quarter, no receiver was running a route deeper that 15 yards. With the playmakers we have on offense, we have got to stretch the field. They are trying to coach to the QB. Let JJ put the rock up and if he can't get the job done, try the next guy and if he can't do it, well, they maybe you have run out of options. But at least try it!
Posted on 9/20/10 at 2:23 pm to tonydtiger
We have top ten talent but are in the bottom ten of offensive production. That sucks plain and simple...but that's "just me".
Posted on 9/20/10 at 2:25 pm to just me
quote:Right. My bad. I should have said "passing TD drought" and referred to two-thirds of the 2010 games played so far as examples.
2009 called and asked you to check your assertions for accuracy.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 2:30 pm to just me
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So what you are really trying to say is that Jefferson got the ball eight times, only two within field goal range, and LSU scored on seven out of those eight times. And of the two times within field goal range, LSU scored a touchdown.
What im trying to say is, on average, LSU got the ball and only had to go 15 yards to kick a FG, which explains all the FGs.
Im trying to say defense and special teams won this game.
Im also implying that with that good of field position, we should have clobbered them.
Its not like we faced Bama's D.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 2:58 pm to just me
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12 passes for 79 yards?
i'm sorry it was 13 passes. versus UNC aside from one pass to Randle for 51 yards and one pass to Jospeh for 21 yards, he completed 13 more passes for 79 yards. the one 51 yard completion may have been the best throw he's ever made in an LSU uniform. he was asked to throw downfield more times in this game, but again after his first read wasn't open he just check down to the dump off guy. he never scanned the field and found secondary WR who ran intermediate routes.
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If you are correct, how did Jefferson not do that against State? How many punts or turnovers did LSU have? In any event, the role of the QB is to perform as the QB is asked to perform. Jefferson did that well.
when you're average starting field position is the opponents 46 yard line, i hope you don't have to punt much. and if you can move the ball 10 yards, you are in FG range. let's talk about the failed opportunnities to punch the ball in the end zone in plus field position instead of how many punts LSU had.
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How many opportunities did Jefferson have to throw? Sixteen. He completed over 60% of his passes. More importantly, Jefferson put his team in scoring position on every possession except for one.
once again the Defense and Special Teams put the Tigers in position to score. Jefferson did lead two TD drives, one of which he only had to go 28 yards and the running game did all the work.
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Outside of the one drop that Shepard had on a deep throw, give me another example of when Jefferson was asked to throw the ball downfield.
there were a few times he looked to throw downfield, but after his #1 wasn't open he checked down, instead of going through his progressions and finding another Wr on an intermediate route.
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Look at the plays Jefferson was asked to execute and consider how he executed them. He did a great job
if you call constantly checking down after your number #1 option isn't open instead of scanning the field for other options, doing a great job, then you obviously accept mediocrity.
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So you're saying that on an option, he read the defense and took advantage of its breakdown. Isn't that what he is supposed to do on an option?
you got me there. guess i was just surprised that after 2 years, he finally read the option correctly.
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Except that he has won in the SEC throwing for less than 100 yards. Twice. And he hasn't lost yet.
against the 2 worst SEC teams he'll play this year. does anyone not think that in games versus Florida, Tennesse, Alabama, Aurburn and Arkansas that an output like that will not win us those games.
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The same WVU that got taken to OT by Marshall? The same WVU team that gave up a 100 yard rushing game to a Marshall player?
they still have a better Defense than MSU, UNC and Vandy
Posted on 9/20/10 at 3:07 pm to Chicken
quote:
Official Offensive Playcalling Thread
I wish the coaches would get the 2008 season out their heads and just open the damn thing up.
No shite. They are not living in the present moment.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 3:29 pm to truck man
quote:So you're using stats that ignore Jefferson's two best plays? That's an interesting methodology.
i'm sorry it was 13 passes. versus UNC aside from one pass to Randle for 51 yards and one pass to Jospeh for 21 yards, he completed 13 more passes for 79 yards.
quote:Funny thing. Football games are not played by averages. Jefferson had to put together some real drives, and he had to make some first downs for each of the drives but one.
when you're average starting field position is the opponents 46 yard line, i hope you don't have to punt much. and if you can move the ball 10 yards, you are in FG range. let's talk about the failed opportunnities to punch the ball in the end zone in plus field position instead of how many punts LSU had.
quote:Oh, which plays were those. I have the game recorded. I would love to go back and watch those plays.
there were a few times he looked to throw downfield, but after his #1 wasn't open he checked down, instead of going through his progressions and finding another Wr on an intermediate route.
quote:Checking down is what a QB is supposed to do. Which plays did he check down to quickly? I have the game recorded. I would love to go back and watch those plays.
if you call constantly checking down after your number #1 option isn't open instead of scanning the field for other options, doing a great job, then you obviously accept mediocrity.
quote:You're not very good with facts, are you? Vandy and State are the two worst teams will face? What is Ole Miss, bearing in mind that Ole Miss lost to Jacksonville State and Vandy by two touchdowns.
against the 2 worst SEC teams he'll play this year. does anyone not think that in games versus Florida, Tennesse, Alabama, Aurburn and Arkansas that an output like that will not win us those games.
quote:That's your opinion. We'll see. We'll see.
they still have a better Defense than MSU, UNC and Vandy
Posted on 9/20/10 at 3:56 pm to White Tiger
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That play represents the Offensive "mind set" if there is one. Again, the STAFF may have concluded that that is LSUs best (and only) chance to score. I am convinced that they are hesitant to put too much more on a limited QB.
Or it could mean the coaches know we are up big and a fg will put the icing of the cake. No need to put it in the air and risk a bad play.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 4:04 pm to cattus
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I don't recall anyone asking why Miles doesn't have the gameplan scripted so the backup QB (JL) comes in at a given point in a game. Why couldn't this be tried by Miles? He could call both JJ and JL into his office on a Monday and discuss this with them. He could say: "Guys, in order to better prepare our team for the upcoming big games of this year I would like to get both of you on the field this Saturday. JJ - you will start as usual and play most of the 1st half. JL will come in on the 2nd series of the 2nd quarter and play 3 series or until halftime (whichever comes first). JJ - you will start the 2nd half and play into the 4th quarter. If we are behind you will will continue playing rest of the game. If we are well in control JL will go in mid 4th quarter to close the game out."
exactly the way I feel, and the reason I get upset at games right now. It's not that I don't love the Tigers, or love our defense, or that I'm not happy with 3-0 and a dominating 3 TD win performance. It's just that this seems so common sense, boneheaded Dinardoish stubborn if you ask me.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 4:06 pm to Chicken
Bottom line: GREAT special teams; excellent, opportunistic defense; predictable offensive playcalling that more talented teams down the road (Alabama?) will eat up. The problem is not Jefferson. The problem is not utilizing his skills effectively. He can throw on the run, can buy more time to throw downfield by doing so, and, can scramble effectively when needed. He cannot run the option. So, scrap the option. Insert some unpredictability into the offense. Run the wildcat w/ Shepard, Peterson, etc. Let them actually throw a pass out of this formation, occasionally. More roll-out passes; passes to the TE; traditional screen passes. Then, run 3 TEs into the game and ram Ridley down their throat. I don't want to hear this will "upset Jefferson's rhythm" b/c THERE IS NO RHYTHM. What this will do is add unpredictability and not allow guys like Saban to scheme defenses to shut down our plays, b/c he can tell by the formation what we're going to run. (Shepard in the backfield? He's getting the ball, guaranteed! Ridley comes into the game after a spell on the sideline ... he's getting the handoff, guaranteed.) Drew Brees throws to 7 and 8 receivers ... so, there IS something to be said for keeping the defense in the dark as to who is going to get the ball. When you line up in a formation and the defense automatically knows who is getting the ball, you have a BIG problem, and that's where LSU's offense is right now.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 4:36 pm to TigerJeff
That many field goals and the punt equals that many times our offense was stopped. At least this week we got some points out of the deal 
Posted on 9/20/10 at 5:07 pm to TigerWilson88
Was listening to the radio today and Phil Sims was talking about some of the pro games this weekend and some of the pro teams.
His point was that a team should have an identity on offense. If they choose a predominately running offense it will often not be pretty but it is what it is. (in the book Junction Boys, Bryant was said to want a QB with a throwing motion looked like he was flinging chicken shite off his fingers - he didn't want them throwing much - of course that was before his Namath and Stabler years I guess)
I think Miles (I would say coaching staff but I think it comes down to Miles) has decided that the identity that gives the team the best chance of sucess is running the ball, running the QB from time to time to mix it up, throw it sparingly, and throw it deep even more sparingly (once or twice a game).
If he has chosen this route, then perphaps he feels JJ fits the bill a little more - maybe a slightly better runner than JL.
It's his career so we'll see how his plan plays out. If it was me I'd pick my best plan and stick to it no matter the howls from the penut gallery.
His point was that a team should have an identity on offense. If they choose a predominately running offense it will often not be pretty but it is what it is. (in the book Junction Boys, Bryant was said to want a QB with a throwing motion looked like he was flinging chicken shite off his fingers - he didn't want them throwing much - of course that was before his Namath and Stabler years I guess)
I think Miles (I would say coaching staff but I think it comes down to Miles) has decided that the identity that gives the team the best chance of sucess is running the ball, running the QB from time to time to mix it up, throw it sparingly, and throw it deep even more sparingly (once or twice a game).
If he has chosen this route, then perphaps he feels JJ fits the bill a little more - maybe a slightly better runner than JL.
It's his career so we'll see how his plan plays out. If it was me I'd pick my best plan and stick to it no matter the howls from the penut gallery.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 6:47 pm to Methuselah
LSU arguably has the best WR threesome in Nation! It is pathetic we cant get 200+ yards passing a game.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 7:04 pm to will0637
Much as I love RS and appreciate his gifts I wouldn't put him near the top of national receivers.
Again, there are many teams out there who are deep passing teams. Then there are many who are running teams. I'd have to go back the last few years to see which types have made the best showings in SEC and NC games.
I don't seem to remember the Tebow Florida team or last year's Bama team as being particularly pass happy. Maybe LSU 07 was a little that way. But I still think they were primarily a running team.
I'm also not sure how the stats from the last 2+ years between JJ and JL stack up in such things as completion %, TD/INT ratio, picking up 1st downs on foot, etc stack up. But I think it's not an unreasonable decision for Miles to make to think that JJ is preferable at the things Miles feels gives the team the best shot at the things every team strives for.
Again, there are many teams out there who are deep passing teams. Then there are many who are running teams. I'd have to go back the last few years to see which types have made the best showings in SEC and NC games.
I don't seem to remember the Tebow Florida team or last year's Bama team as being particularly pass happy. Maybe LSU 07 was a little that way. But I still think they were primarily a running team.
I'm also not sure how the stats from the last 2+ years between JJ and JL stack up in such things as completion %, TD/INT ratio, picking up 1st downs on foot, etc stack up. But I think it's not an unreasonable decision for Miles to make to think that JJ is preferable at the things Miles feels gives the team the best shot at the things every team strives for.
Posted on 9/20/10 at 7:52 pm to Methuselah
I wonder if LSU works on down field passing in practice?
Probably not...don't want to risk turnovers.
Probably not...don't want to risk turnovers.
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