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re: Official Offensive Playcalling Thread
Posted on 9/19/10 at 4:03 pm to Ford Frenzy
Posted on 9/19/10 at 4:03 pm to Ford Frenzy
I am a jefferson supporter. I really am. But in order to run the offense that crowton wantss he needs a decision maker and dual threat guy. Crowton has had to create an offense that is enigmatic at best. I don't understand why we stopped recruiting jw walsh
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Posted on 9/19/10 at 4:04 pm to Krypto
First i like miles as a players coach u nless your in his doghouse like lee appears to be , but it hurt me to see the stands empting out in the third quarter on national tv. I dont blame them tho because if you saw the first three plays you have seen the whole game unless we are losing. West virg is unbeaten with a good coach we had better look out for them
Posted on 9/19/10 at 4:12 pm to ffishstik
Our coaching staff is not smart enough to develop a two QB system, it has taken them well over a year with JJ to figure out what he can and can't do effectively, if they had to do that with Lee, they might have it figured out by the time they both graduate. 
Posted on 9/19/10 at 4:22 pm to MSUBSNTiger
If Lee has come along like people say he has and has learned from his INT problem, then I say we should give him a shot. We still have RS. We are loaded at WR and so he should also be given a shot at QB. I agree with another poster that our O is WAYYYYYY too vanilla. We want it to be as exciting as the D. The only thing our D play the last two games has proven is that when we fire Miles and Crowton, we should keep Chavis.
Posted on 9/19/10 at 4:25 pm to Chicken
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You have first and goal at the 10 yard line, and you run Ridley three straight times, and settle for a FG.
frustrating for sure. i think miles is more influenced by the NC game where we did not score on two critical 2nd half trips to the red zone and nearly cost us the game. he wants to insure that we get something. after we get a decent lead, we open it up a little. the play calling seems to be to do only what they have to to win the game.
Posted on 9/19/10 at 4:57 pm to Chicken
If we had a dominant OL and Russell Shepard at QB, then I'd say our current play calling is right on.
Our most talented position group on offense is the receivers.
We should get Jefferson in an established rhythm with the receivers before heading into big SEC games when we will need them to make plays.
It is so frustrating the way we are neglecting Toliver and Randle right now.
Our most talented position group on offense is the receivers.
We should get Jefferson in an established rhythm with the receivers before heading into big SEC games when we will need them to make plays.
It is so frustrating the way we are neglecting Toliver and Randle right now.
Posted on 9/19/10 at 6:41 pm to Tiger Ryno
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I don't think JJ is the answer but if they are going to play him they have to let him rip and quit coddling him. Its bullshite and not going to help him get better.
I have faced the fact that this won't happen. Herm Edwards who was doing the color commentary for the game on ESPNU gave a great point that only sums up what I have known about Miles for years. Herm said that when he was at LSU earlier in the week talking with Les about the team and what their identity is as an offensive football team what Les said "we are going to be a ground and pound it team that wants to run the football and be physical". Well that's all you need right there.
Here are the facts:
#1 Les Miles is controlling the play calling and the selection of plays that the team is going to use, NOT Gary Crowton.
#2 Gary Crowton is obviously completely happy to be making $600,000 a yr at LSU and happy with being at here and can live with the horse shite that Miles is doing and with the limits he puts on him and the offense.
#3 Les Miles is going to live and die with Big 10 style football. Which is going to put all the pressure on the Defense to win games and play with a conservative, one armed tied behind your back run, run, run and only pass when you must have to offense. It's as simple as that.
#4 You can forget about Jarrett Lee, Miles thinks Jefferson is a really good running QB which he is NOT and is happy with that.
#5 Les Miles is happy with 97 yards passing a game and 150+ yds rushing.
The above qualities will win you a fair amount of games in the SEC when you have far superior athletes compared to most of the teams you play but when you play teams similar to you like Florida, Alabama, Auburn and sometimes Arkansas you will get beat, get your arse kicked or both. What you have seen the last 2 years on offense from LSU is the identity of a Les Miles coached offensive football team. The above reason's will also be the reason's we will lose games later in the season this year.
Posted on 9/19/10 at 6:45 pm to inadaze
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It is so frustrating the way we are neglecting Toliver and Randle right now
shite, I have been saying this about the WR core at LSU since Les Miles has been here.
If I was a big time WR recruit LSU is the last place I would go because you aren't going to get many balls thrown your way, you're just going to be wasted and be a good blocker.
Posted on 9/19/10 at 6:47 pm to Chicken
The playcalling is limited based on what JJ can consistently do. Those are quick plays where he doesn't have to really make a read which are usually passes of 5 yards or more. The long plays only came out yesterday when we were up big and on that one drive to start the second half.
The coaches are afraid to open it up, particularly early and allow JJ to put us behind the 8-ball. This is also what Crowton's offense is. It's the same offense he's called everywhere he's been plus the added in option. He is for quick short passes. It works fine when you are playing in the MWC or WAC, but not in the SEC.
Don't expect a change from the coaching side. It won't happen. If Crowton hasn't learned from his previous 2 identical failures at his jobs at BYU and UO, then he's not going to change now.
2007 was successful largely because we forced Crowton to call majority of Jimbo's offense. Once it got mostly his offense, this is the product you can expect.
The coaches are afraid to open it up, particularly early and allow JJ to put us behind the 8-ball. This is also what Crowton's offense is. It's the same offense he's called everywhere he's been plus the added in option. He is for quick short passes. It works fine when you are playing in the MWC or WAC, but not in the SEC.
Don't expect a change from the coaching side. It won't happen. If Crowton hasn't learned from his previous 2 identical failures at his jobs at BYU and UO, then he's not going to change now.
2007 was successful largely because we forced Crowton to call majority of Jimbo's offense. Once it got mostly his offense, this is the product you can expect.
Posted on 9/19/10 at 7:34 pm to Ford Frenzy
No worries. If the offense doesn't improve win most of our games. Will probably be a frustrating game against florida and bama. If we loose both then miles is gone.
Posted on 9/19/10 at 8:36 pm to Jason
I am in agreement with Jason. Except for the reason we don't throw down field. I was at the game last night and on several accassions Randle and Toliver were open but Jefferson just does not have the ability to find them. He is horrible I mean Horrible. We will beat unranked teams but we will lose to those better ranked teams. They will put 8 and 9 men in the box and beat us because we are not capable of passing the ball. We have a great defense but when they stay on the field damn near the whole game it will get ugly.
Posted on 9/19/10 at 8:52 pm to latiger89
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#1 Les Miles is controlling the play calling and the selection of plays that the team is going to use, NOT Gary Crowton.
First you got this dumb SOB saying this
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This is also what Crowton's offense is. It's the same offense he's called everywhere he's been plus the added in option. He is for quick short passes.
Then you got this dumb SOB claiming this.
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2007 was successful largely because we forced Crowton to call majority of Jimbo's offense. Once it got mostly his offense, this is the product you can expect.
Then the coup de grace just to cement his status as a certified loon. Do you two guys believe in the Loch Ness monster too?
Posted on 9/19/10 at 9:00 pm to Chicken
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Official Offensive Playcalling Thread
It's sad that it has gone this far.
Posted on 9/19/10 at 9:49 pm to Suntiger
You guys need to just get over it. Les Miles will not change. LSU will win or lose ballgames based on running the football and playing good defense. If LSU gets behind big in a game, we're done b/c we don't have a QB that can consistently move the ball through the air, including Jarret Lee (and Miles and his staff know this). That is why LSU will play every game close to the vest and hope that the game stays close enough that one of our athletes can make a big play somewhere along the way. Accept it and move on.
P.S. Alabama's playcalling is not exactly cutting edge either. They just execute a lot better and have a QB that can read a defense.
P.S. Alabama's playcalling is not exactly cutting edge either. They just execute a lot better and have a QB that can read a defense.
Posted on 9/19/10 at 9:54 pm to latiger89
quote:Then you don't agree with Jason. Read his stuff a little closer, but be careful. It will make you a little bit dumber.
I was at the game last night and on several accassions Randle and Toliver were open but Jefferson just does not have the ability to find them
Posted on 9/19/10 at 10:10 pm to AlxTgr
LSU is going to run the same offense until they can't win a game doing what they have been doing. As far as I can tell right now, the only team can't beat with this offense is Alabama. And believe me, they will try to do it against AL until they are down by more than one score.
Posted on 9/19/10 at 10:14 pm to Chicken
Someone simply needs to tell Les that the media is NOW OK with LSU having established a running game. Throw the frikkin football or we will still won't finish top 100 again this year in offense.
Les was neutered after the '07 season. Now fakes, reverses, 4th and shorts, etc...
Les was neutered after the '07 season. Now fakes, reverses, 4th and shorts, etc...
Posted on 9/19/10 at 10:58 pm to BASCTiger
If JJ is going to be the QB, I have no big problems with the playcalling last night. That's his comfort zone.
Posted on 9/19/10 at 11:51 pm to Chicken
While playcalling seems to be offensive, I don't have any suggestions how to correct that. I have read most threads/posts over the last several weeks and the topic usually turns into QB play (JJ)/lack of backup QB play (JL).
Many posters ask why not bring in JL when JJ is not doing well or if LSU is getting too far behind to the opponent. But when exactly would this be? When we're losing by 21 points? When we're behind 222 - 0 like Cumberland losing to Georgia Tech?
I don't recall anyone asking why Miles doesn't have the gameplan scripted so the backup QB (JL) comes in at a given point in a game. Why couldn't this be tried by Miles? He could call both JJ and JL into his office on a Monday and discuss this with them. He could say: "Guys, in order to better prepare our team for the upcoming big games of this year I would like to get both of you on the field this Saturday. JJ - you will start as usual and play most of the 1st half. JL will come in on the 2nd series of the 2nd quarter and play 3 series or until halftime (whichever comes first). JJ - you will start the 2nd half and play into the 4th quarter. If we are behind you will will continue playing rest of the game. If we are well in control JL will go in mid 4th quarter to close the game out."
This is just one example and one possible scenario. West Virginia (3-0 record) might not be the best team to try this with. Mississippi State would have been a better choice, IMO. Why have I not seen this being asked (realize I could have missed it)? Miles could do this. To me (IMHO), there should be no way that this type of communication, planning and spirit shared ahead of time among several members of the Unity Council and Les Miles dampens the spirits of JJ. But, I don't know. I am not there. Again, just my opinion and I'll throw it out there. Why not?
Many posters ask why not bring in JL when JJ is not doing well or if LSU is getting too far behind to the opponent. But when exactly would this be? When we're losing by 21 points? When we're behind 222 - 0 like Cumberland losing to Georgia Tech?
I don't recall anyone asking why Miles doesn't have the gameplan scripted so the backup QB (JL) comes in at a given point in a game. Why couldn't this be tried by Miles? He could call both JJ and JL into his office on a Monday and discuss this with them. He could say: "Guys, in order to better prepare our team for the upcoming big games of this year I would like to get both of you on the field this Saturday. JJ - you will start as usual and play most of the 1st half. JL will come in on the 2nd series of the 2nd quarter and play 3 series or until halftime (whichever comes first). JJ - you will start the 2nd half and play into the 4th quarter. If we are behind you will will continue playing rest of the game. If we are well in control JL will go in mid 4th quarter to close the game out."
This is just one example and one possible scenario. West Virginia (3-0 record) might not be the best team to try this with. Mississippi State would have been a better choice, IMO. Why have I not seen this being asked (realize I could have missed it)? Miles could do this. To me (IMHO), there should be no way that this type of communication, planning and spirit shared ahead of time among several members of the Unity Council and Les Miles dampens the spirits of JJ. But, I don't know. I am not there. Again, just my opinion and I'll throw it out there. Why not?
Posted on 9/20/10 at 12:35 am to AlxTgr
I would love the lawyer's take on LSU football
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