re: Now that LSU football has fallen back to the pack

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And what's the common denominator in those two years? Rookie, freshman QB's. How many teams have flourished with rookie QB's? Go ask how USC or OU how easy it is.

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Having a rookie freshman QB for one year is a sign of bad recruiting. Having them in back-to-back years (which we didn't, since Jefferson is a sophomore--see below) is a sign of bad recruiting and even worse player development.

And again, for the umpteenth time, Jordan Jefferson has more career starts right now than either Matt Mauck or Matt Flynn had going into 2003 or 2007, and three times as many as Jamarcus Russell had going into 2005. After the bowl game, he will have two less career starts than Russell had going into 2006. He had more career starts coming into this year than Alabama's McElroy did, and more than Matt Leinart had going into 2003 for USC. He has more career starts right now than Tom Hodson had AFTER he had already led us to an SEC championship in 1986 as a redshirt freshman coming off of elbow surgery. The youth excuse, by definition, has to wear out eventually, if it is ever even valid in the first place.

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a young QB who will be much better next year

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Why? Is he much better now than he was last year? If so, how? Where do you see improvement?

chris garette = Future!

i agree!

they are in transition... and far from the bottom of the pack

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They just don't get it and never will.

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Oh, I get it. You can see the future and its doom and gloom and you want me to visit it with you. Thanks, but no thanks.

Look, we might win only 3 games next yr. I don't know, you don't know, and neither does anyone else. I do know we have won 51 in 5 yrs, a national title, west titles, SEC title, we 4-0 in bowl games, had 3 top 5 finishes, we getting ready to play Penn St on New Year Day, and with a win have a shot at 4 10 win seasons in 5 yrs and 4 top 10 finishes in 5 yrs. If you want to forecast doom & gloom from that, knock yourself out. I'll just enjoy our current success if you don't mind cause there is nothing I can do bout it one way or the other.

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And again, for the umpteenth time, Jordan Jefferson has more career starts right now than either Matt Mauck or Matt Flynn had going into 2003 or 2007, and three times as many as Jamarcus Russell had going into 2005.

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Flawed logic, but of course, you think starting true frosh is a good thing. You can see JJ competes quite well with your legends of the past in early stages of their development. Most of the legends early playing time came in mop up over inferior defences, not in a pressure cooker like JJ's.

Jefferson:
TFrosh 2starts, 7gm, 36-71-1int, 419yds, 4td
Soph 11starts,169/272-6int, 1954yds, 62.1%, 16td
QB Rating: 137.79 Touchdowns/Ints: 16/6
Yds Rushing: 160

Russell:
Rsf 4starts, 11gm, 73-144-4int 1053yds, 9td
Soph12starts, 188-311, 9int, 2443yds, 60.5%,15td 136.6rat, Touchdowns/Ints: 15/9
Jr 13starts, 232-342-8int, 3129yds, 28td

Flynn:
0start, 12gm, 4-10-0int, 99yds, 1td
1start, 13gm, 27-48-1int 457yds, 7td
0start, 13gm, 12-20-1int, 133yds, 2td
12starts, 12gm, 202-359, 11int, 2407yds, 21td

Mauck:
Rsf 0start 3gm 18-41 - 2int, 224yds, 0td
Soph 6starts 63-130 -2int, 782yds, 9td
Jr 14starts 229-358-14int, 2825yds, 28td

As for your comment on bad recruiting- we had top pick in RP. I guess that was Miles fault also.
Again I say GTFO and root for somebody else if you think LSU sucks.

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he sky isn't falling. We just aren't an elite team anymore. But you watch the games, so you don't need me to tell you that. I just wanted to know how everyone felt about it.

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What are you going to talk about this time next year when Nicky Boy is not in the top ten?
There is no team even when the Bear was around played for the NC every year like some Bama fan will try to talk themselves into believing. LSU is not perfect like some of you all would like to see every year, it goes in cycles every two years or so. LSU had a great run over the last decade and that in itself is remarkable considering LSU's history. All you have to do is go back and look what happened over the years it was 50 years before LSU won their second NC and then 3 years later they get another which was luck considering the two losses, but thewy had the best team that year so the best team won. Everyone needs luck to win an NC I do not care who it is. that is why you do not see repeat winners, they are rare. You will not see what Fla. St. and Bobby Bowden did ever again with ten years of being in the top 5 every year not with the parity that is in College football today. So considering all the parity LSU is doing great considering our history and hopefully we will do better next year. Only one can win each year and that leaves 118 teams saying wait till next year! To finish in the top ten of 119 teams is not a bad record if we did that for ten years in a row. You will be one the first to say we where the first team to go ten years in a row if LSU does it, so quit your belly aching everything will be alright.

You tell me who has done all the things that want LSU to do over that same 5 year period.
I'll tell you no body has. You are looking for unrealistic things for a team to do. They can not and will not win the SEC every year, not even Bama will do that and has not done that. How many teams has won the SEC over the last ten years? enough to know that the same team has not won it every year not even close. The way we have a CG at the end of the year just about denies 11 teams from playing in the NCG. There will be a year when not one SEC team will be playing for NC, when? I do not know but it is going to happen. The SEC has been up for a good many years now, but it is coming when the SEC will be down and another conference will dominate. So just go along for the ride while it is here and enjoy it, it will not last long. Every team, I mean every team has it's ups and downs and you have to take advantage of it when your up and enjoy it while lasts because it will not last long. Ask USC, Okla., Fla. St., ND, it happens to everyone sooner or later. So quit your bitchin' and enjoy it, it will pass and we will be back up again, if you want to say that 9-3 or 10-3 is down. We wher 8-5 twice over the last ten years once under Saban and once under Miles, the only difference is Miles has not lost a bowl game and Saban did.