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re: My take on the season after this loss...
Posted on 1/30/16 at 10:35 pm to Tiger Nation 84
Posted on 1/30/16 at 10:35 pm to Tiger Nation 84
There's never been a question that LSU could play with anyone. Assuming TQ gets drafted, he will be the 5th guy coached by Jones to reach the NBA. That's significant talent.
The problem is that Jones' tenure has be marked by absolute inconsistency. I would not have been surprised at all to see LSU win today. Conversely, I would not be shocked to see them lose @ Auburn or to Miss. St. Good/great teams find ways to get up for most games, even those against lesser opponents. LSU hasn't been one of those teams over the last 2.5 years and it starts at the top, sorry.
Jones is a much more animated and invoked coach against good teams (UK, OU, etc) from the get go. Against teams like UGA, he's casually putting on his coat and standing idly by while his team's big lead slips away.
You can't just get up for the "big" games. So while today reinforced the fact that LSU can play with anyone, there's nothing in the past 3 seasons to make you think they'll keep that level of intensity up in some of the 3/4 full arenas they'll step into the rest of the season. I hope I'm wrong
The problem is that Jones' tenure has be marked by absolute inconsistency. I would not have been surprised at all to see LSU win today. Conversely, I would not be shocked to see them lose @ Auburn or to Miss. St. Good/great teams find ways to get up for most games, even those against lesser opponents. LSU hasn't been one of those teams over the last 2.5 years and it starts at the top, sorry.
Jones is a much more animated and invoked coach against good teams (UK, OU, etc) from the get go. Against teams like UGA, he's casually putting on his coat and standing idly by while his team's big lead slips away.
You can't just get up for the "big" games. So while today reinforced the fact that LSU can play with anyone, there's nothing in the past 3 seasons to make you think they'll keep that level of intensity up in some of the 3/4 full arenas they'll step into the rest of the season. I hope I'm wrong
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Posted on 1/30/16 at 10:39 pm to camplsu
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A) You can predict the future?
His results the past 4 years says everything. Inconsistency.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 10:43 pm to thibodauxtigah
Actually his results the last 4 years show that Johnny is making the program consistently better each season.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 10:59 pm to camplsu
I really think if we are sitting squareley on the bubble, they can and will look at this game and say yes LSU can play neck and neck with the best team in the country (at the time) and could have won the game, and will put us in. They are clearly saying we are being judged with Victor and Hornsby on our team, not the games before. Plus we have Ben so he is definitely an attraction the committee is going to want in the dance. I think we keep winning some SEC games and we are a shoe in for the dance.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 11:06 pm to King Joey
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It really comes down to attitude: can you enjoy being in the top 10%, or are you compelled to unhappy about being in the bottom 99%?
i'm compelled to call a spade a spade, even if it sucks to have to admit as an LSU fan that, FOR EXAMPLE, the program isn't very good right now, the coach isn't great, etc.....
some of you need to realize that a criticism doesn't mean a lack of fandom, no more than overzealous fandom makes you a great fan.... we are all of differing walks of life, points of view, and experiences, and just because i don't have the same "rosy" outlook as you, and you don't have the "bleak" take on things that the next person has, doesn't mean we aren't all fans of the same program....
This post was edited on 1/30/16 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 1/30/16 at 11:25 pm to chRxis
quote:Okay, so let's assume for the moment that you are correct on all counts. The program isn't "very good"; is it "good"? If it is "good", why would you choose not to comment on the fact that it is good? Why is the fact that it is "good" and not "bad" worth commenting on? And the coach is not "great", but is he "good"? If he is "good", then same questions. And if he's "bad", then how do we keep winning and succeeding more than most other programs do? LSU has a better record, more tournament appearances, and more NBA players under CJJ's tenure than most of Div. I. How would a "bad" coach achieve that much?
the program isn't very good right now, the coach isn't great, etc.....
It is hard to give much credibility to someone who claims to really love LSU when they are so eager to stress at length every conceivable negative about the program but so hard pressed to show any joy at any of the success.
Another way of looking at it is this: why would you not be at least as eager to find positives in an LSU loss as you are to find negatives in an LSU win?
Posted on 1/30/16 at 11:31 pm to King Joey
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Another way of looking at it is this: why would you not be at least as eager to find positives in an LSU loss as you are to find negatives in an LSU win?
This gets me with people. I admit, walking out of the PMac tonight I was pissed as were alot of people, and I was more angry anout the refs not calling a foul to put TQ on the line right there at the end. But I am a realist and realize the sky hasnt fallen, this is basketball, you can lose some games! This team played their hearts out tonight and it should be rewarded by the fans, they wanted to win just as bad as we wanted them to win it.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 11:31 pm to King Joey
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Okay, so let's assume for the moment that you are correct on all counts. The program isn't "very good"; is it "good"? If it is "good", why would you choose not to comment on the fact that it is good? Why is the fact that it is "good" and not "bad" worth commenting on? And the coach is not "great", but is he "good"? If he is "good", then same questions. And if he's "bad", then how do we keep winning and succeeding more than most other programs do? LSU has a better record, more tournament appearances, and more NBA players under CJJ's tenure than most of Div. I. How would a "bad" coach achieve that much?
and i thought the FOR EXAMPLE would be enough.... i wasn't meaning for those examples to be used literally in this discussion....
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positives in an LSU loss
no such thing.... i'm not about that "everybody gets a participation trophy" bullshite...
quote:my expectation is for LSU to win every time they lace up for any sport.... so when they lose, it's a disappointment... if they do win, it's expected.... that's how i operate.... for example, i expect my kid to come home with all A's when she gets to school... if she doesn't, it's a disappointment... if she does, it's not exactly traffic stopping news... it's expected...
as you are to find negatives in an LSU win?
This post was edited on 1/30/16 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 1/30/16 at 11:59 pm to chRxis
quote:Interesting. So what is your take on the consensus of virtually every successful human being in every venture in history that learning from failure is important? Has that all been "bullshite" as well? I mean, a lesson learned is clearly a positive, right?
no such thing.... i'm not about that "everybody gets a participation trophy" bullshite...
On a more specific note, do you recall Chris Jackson's first game in the PMAC? He dropped like 40 points on La. Tech in a loss. We were disappointed in that loss but were encouraged by his performance. That was a positive that we noted and commented on, and one that led to many wins in the future. How exactly was an explosive performance by a true freshman in his first game not a positive?
quote:Somehow, I think if your kid ended up being Valedictorian you might be heard to brag a time or two, despite it being nothing more than merely meeting the lowest of acceptable expectations. The idea that perfection is not worthy of celebration because it is always to be expected, and thus anything short being worthy only of criticism and condemnation, is pretty laughable, even among sports fans. I mean, I'll bet you cheered when we won the National Championship.
for example, i expect my kid to come home with all A's when she gets to school... if she doesn't, it's a disappointment... if she does, it's not exactly traffic stopping news... it's expected...
Posted on 1/31/16 at 12:08 am to King Joey
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On a more specific note, do you recall Chris Jackson's first game in the PMAC?
no... i was 6 or 7...
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in a loss.
see that's all great and all, but it's still a loss...
quote:good for you... glad you were encouraged... but different strokes for different folks...
We were disappointed in that loss but were encouraged by his performance.
quote:ahh, but now you are extrapolating and polarizing it to the extreme in each scenario... and at the end of the day, i don't lose that much sleep over the outcomes of LSU's games, so don't think that i'm all pent up aggression and shite...
Somehow, I think if your kid ended up being Valedictorian you might be heard to brag a time or two, despite it being nothing more than merely meeting the lowest of acceptable expectations. The idea that perfection is not worthy of celebration because it is always to be expected, and thus anything short being worthy only of criticism and condemnation, is pretty laughable, even among sports fans. I mean, I'll bet you cheered when we won the National Championship.
but for real, i do hold certain people and certain things to a different standards than some evidently choose to do.... i used to take losses real hard, but nowadays, it's frustrating and i come here and vent (because after all it's a fan forum for LSU sports), but in the grand scheme of life, it's not that important..
Posted on 1/31/16 at 12:20 am to LSUButt
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A majority of this fan base enjoys watching LSU lose so they can bash players and coaches.
A majority, huh? Those assholes exist, yes, but to actually say they make up more than 50% of the fanbase is a little dramatic don't you think?
Posted on 1/31/16 at 12:23 am to chRxis
quote:Actually, no; "it" wasn't. "It" was a 40 point performance by a true freshman. "It" was a positive, and encouraging. Like having a kicker that can nail a 55 yard field goal is a good thing, and if you see your kicker go 3 for 3 from 55+, you know you have that. That's a positive. Whether you won that particular game or not, having a kicker that accurate from that range is a positive. That's the kind of positive I'm talking about.
see that's all great and all, but it's still a loss...
quote:Oh, okay. Good, because I was afraid it was you. You were talking about how every game was expected to be a win and every grade was expected to be an A, so there's no reason to celebrate any of them. That seemed pretty extreme.
ahh, but now you are extrapolating and polarizing it to the extreme in each scenario
Saban had a commentary on that, about how some people reach a point where winning isn't fun anymore, because all that matters is not losing. Winning is taken for granted, and thus becomes no reason to get excited. But losing becomes even more unacceptable, and thus grounds for even more negative reaction. He seemed to be talking about the Bama fan base, but I always wondered if he wasn't talking about himself as well. I guess I'm fortunate that I never got tired of winning, so I always feel like it's cause to celebrate (and so were both of my "A"s!). But as you say, different strokes for different folks.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 12:23 am to Tiger Nation 84
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keep winning some SEC games
Seems contradictory.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 6:46 am to Tiger Nation 84
My .02.
Now is the time. The committee does look at who's hot and who's not. We win the rest of our games, and make a good showing in the SEC tournament and we are in. We lay an egg against a sub par team and we are done. We got scorers and rebounders, TIME TO WALK THE WALK. If they want to get in
Now is the time. The committee does look at who's hot and who's not. We win the rest of our games, and make a good showing in the SEC tournament and we are in. We lay an egg against a sub par team and we are done. We got scorers and rebounders, TIME TO WALK THE WALK. If they want to get in
Posted on 1/31/16 at 9:06 am to camplsu
We learned a lot. Jones is a bad coach.
You don't win every game. But you don't squander 14 pt leads in the second half and have your stud touch the ball maybe once in the last 3 minutes.
You don't win every game. But you don't squander 14 pt leads in the second half and have your stud touch the ball maybe once in the last 3 minutes.
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