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re: Mark May on SportsCenter...
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:12 pm to VOR
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:12 pm to VOR
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So, what you're saying is . . . today's young people are turning into pussies.
And yes, I said in other threads that a bunch of middle aged white guys (and, yes, white guys are more likely to have a stick up their butt) made the rule to feel good about themselves. Nevertheless, the idea that points are essentially taken off of the board for that "infraction" cannot be defended.
I'm not defending it. I'm saying that if I were a paid official in the game, and it had been a team like OU or USC, I would have made that call (because we all know I wouldn't have made that call against LSU). It's a subjective call, excessive celebration almost always is. You're a lawyer, you, of all people, should know his hand waving can be construed as taunting before the end zone.
When they made that call, my heart sunk to my shoes... I actually thought they were going to replay 4th down, because I didn't know the rule. But, it's the rule.
This post was edited on 10/8/11 at 11:13 pm
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Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:13 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
So this is going to be the NFL . . .No Fun League?
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:15 pm to VOR
If you're the one who said 100 other flags could have been thrown for taunts, then yes, yes I am.
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:15 pm to irish thug 527
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It's a subjective call, excessive celebration almost always is
Most calls are subjective in football.
If they called all of the other rules for as marginal a shite as they called that for "taunting", there would be 50 holding calls per game and damned near half the incomplete passes ever thrown would end with pass interference calls.
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:16 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
Here is the official NCAA rule word for word
As stated, if what Wing did is taunting, Jesus; there are dozens of plays every game that are way worse that go uncalled. Also note Kellen Moore's Six Shooters are specifically against the rule, lol.
The excessive part under (d) is what the announcer was talking about when he said it has to be egregious.
quote:
Unsportsmanlike Acts
ARTICLE 1. There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct or any act that interferes with orderly game administration on the part of players, substitutes, coaches, authorized attendants or any other persons subject to the rules, before the game, during the game or between periods. Infractions for these acts by players are administered as either live-ball or dead-ball fouls depending on when they occur.
a. Specifically prohibited acts and conduct include:
1. No player, substitute, coach or other person subject to the rules shall use abusive, threatening or obscene language or gestures, or engage in such acts that provoke ill will or are demeaning to an opponent, to game officials or to the image of the game, including but not limited to:
(a) Pointing the finger(s), hand(s), arm(s) or ball at an opponent, or imitating the slashing of the throat.
(b) Taunting, baiting or ridiculing an opponent verbally.
(c) Inciting an opponent or spectators in any other way, such as simulating the firing of a weapon or placing a hand by the ear to request recognition.
(d) Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves).
(e) An unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride as he approaches the opponent’s goal line or diving into the end zone.
(f) Removal of a player’s helmet before he is in the team area (Exceptions: Team, media or injury timeouts; equipment adjustment; through play; between periods; and during a measurement for a first down).
(g) Punching one’s own chest or crossing one’s arms in front of the chest while standing over a prone player.
(h) Going into the stands to interact with spectators, or bowing at the waist after a good play.
As stated, if what Wing did is taunting, Jesus; there are dozens of plays every game that are way worse that go uncalled. Also note Kellen Moore's Six Shooters are specifically against the rule, lol.
The excessive part under (d) is what the announcer was talking about when he said it has to be egregious.
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:16 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
quote:That was me.
If you're the one who said 100 other flags could have been thrown for taunts, then yes, yes I am.
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:16 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
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You posted the rules yourself. ARMS, ARMS, he threw his arms out as if to say look at me.
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(a) Pointing the finger(s), hand(s), arm(s) or ball at an opponent, or imitating the slashing of the throat.
I know commas are confusing, but really... He has to be pointing his arms at an opponent. He clearly did the opposite, basically throwing his arms out presenting himself as an inviting, defenseless target that the defender sadly couldn't reach. That may be taunting, but not by the rules, at least not without an unhealthy amount of referee interpretation.
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:17 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
Pretty much every play that Mathieu is involved in has more taunting than Wing did today. Not picking on TM. The other team seeks him out to talk shite to him as well. So there's 60ish plays a game for you.
This post was edited on 10/8/11 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:17 pm to LSULaw2009
And the pointing of his arms(s) in (a) says it is.
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:17 pm to LSULaw2009
quote:Yeah. In reading that rule, it appears the ONLY thing his act could've come under was d and anyone asserting that he actually falls under that is retarded.
The excessive part under (d) is what the announcer was talking about when he said it has to be egregious.
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:18 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
quote:"at an opponent"
And the pointing of his arms(s) in (a) says it is.
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:19 pm to ShortyRob
I'll say it again.
quote:
If they called all of the other rules for as marginal a shite as they called that for "taunting", there would be 50 holding calls per game and damned near half the incomplete passes ever thrown would end with pass interference calls.
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:20 pm to irish thug 527
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I'm not defending it. I'm saying that if I were a paid official in the game, and it had been a team like OU or USC, I would have made that call (because we all know I wouldn't have made that call against LSU). It's a subjective call, excessive celebration almost always is. You're a lawyer, you, of all people, should know his hand waving can be construed as taunting before the end zone.
When they made that call, my heart sunk to my shoes... I actually thought they were going to replay 4th down, because I didn't know the rule. But, it's the rule.
I went back and look at the run three times. I have read the quoted sections of the rule. He threw his arms up for maybe two seconds. It was a horrible, horrible call. I'll bet you a thousand dollars you'll never see a call like that again.
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:21 pm to ShortyRob
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If they called all of the other rules for as marginal a shite as they called that for "taunting", there would be 50 holding calls per game and damned near half the incomplete passes ever thrown would end with pass interference calls.
And God help offenses is the refs ever start calling "pushing off" as tightly as they called this one.
That's the point. About 75% of all plays ever run in football would end in a penalty if the refs called ANYTHING they could fit into the letter of the law. The game would drive you nuts!!!
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:22 pm to ShortyRob
He looked right at the opponent and opened his arms out.
I for one think all referees suck, but it's pretty easy to determine that if even the simplest of gesture towards an opponent constitutes a taunt, then that is what it is.
If 100 other acts go uncalled then it is what it is, but that doesn't take away the fact that this was a taunt as well.
I for one think all referees suck, but it's pretty easy to determine that if even the simplest of gesture towards an opponent constitutes a taunt, then that is what it is.
If 100 other acts go uncalled then it is what it is, but that doesn't take away the fact that this was a taunt as well.
This post was edited on 10/8/11 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:22 pm to ShortyRob
if Wing hadn't turned to the defenders and put his arms out, he would have been fine.
turning to the defenders did him in. I thought it was the right call.
but i also think there is worse taunting that goes in within the game, specifically DBs standing over WRs after a hit, for an example
turning to the defenders did him in. I thought it was the right call.
but i also think there is worse taunting that goes in within the game, specifically DBs standing over WRs after a hit, for an example
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:22 pm to VOR
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I'll bet you a thousand dollars you'll never see a call like that again.
Yeah. I actually think that the whole quote from the SEC officials about it being an OK call was PR.
They're going to pull that guy and their other refs into an office and tell them they're fricking insane if they can't figure manage to be less retarded than that.
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:23 pm to VOR
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the idea that points are essentially taken off of the board for that "infraction" cannot be defended.
This is the whole point. It's a fair argument either way of whether or not their should have been a flag, but this rule needs to go. The coaches, even Les if he was on that side, should be ashamed for pushing for this rule.
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:23 pm to PnG Exsanguination
Interestingly, the SEC referred to Section (b) in it's statement about the call. That one requires the taunting to be verbal. Seriously? Were any of the Florida players even close enough to Wing to interpret anything he said while the play was live? Doubt it. More amusingly, this is the penalty TM7 should be called for just about every play.
I would note that Wing possibly could have been called for the penalty under section (h) "Going into the stands to interact with spectators, or bowing at the waist after a good play" since his run terminated in the loving embrace of the student section. All depends on how "going into" is defined.
I would note that Wing possibly could have been called for the penalty under section (h) "Going into the stands to interact with spectators, or bowing at the waist after a good play" since his run terminated in the loving embrace of the student section. All depends on how "going into" is defined.
Posted on 10/8/11 at 11:24 pm to PnG Exsanguination
This call was really about as bad as the one on Jake Locker a few years ago.
The fricking coaches and rule makers really need to stop screwing with football. The game was doing just fine without their retardation.
The fricking coaches and rule makers really need to stop screwing with football. The game was doing just fine without their retardation.
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