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LSU vs. Alabama - Which Defense is Better?
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:06 pm
Alabama:
191.33 yards per game
3.22 yards per play
7 points per game
10 Turnovers Gained
43 Tackles for Loss
8 Sacks
27.96 3rd down conversion
Average of offenses played:
323.1 ypg/87th ranked total offenses
23.85 ppg/81st ranked scoring offenses
LSU
254 yards per game
3.85 yards per play
12.5 points per game
14 turnovers gained
48 tackles for loss
13 sacks
31.52 3rd down conversion%
Average of offenses played against (eliminating NW St.):
408.42 yards per game/55th ranked total offenses
32.1 points per game/53rd ranked total offenses
How much does level of competition play into the argument? Bama destroyed a really good Arkansas offense, whereas LSU has merely "contained" the great offenses of West Virginia and Oregon.
LSU has created more turnovers and plays for loss.
Alabama has a significant advantage in yardage and points.
I know everyone is going to say LSU because this is an LSU board, but looking at the side-by-side statistical comparison, which defense would you take if say, team A was Hawaii and team B was SMU and you had no dog in the fight.
191.33 yards per game
3.22 yards per play
7 points per game
10 Turnovers Gained
43 Tackles for Loss
8 Sacks
27.96 3rd down conversion
Average of offenses played:
323.1 ypg/87th ranked total offenses
23.85 ppg/81st ranked scoring offenses
LSU
254 yards per game
3.85 yards per play
12.5 points per game
14 turnovers gained
48 tackles for loss
13 sacks
31.52 3rd down conversion%
Average of offenses played against (eliminating NW St.):
408.42 yards per game/55th ranked total offenses
32.1 points per game/53rd ranked total offenses
How much does level of competition play into the argument? Bama destroyed a really good Arkansas offense, whereas LSU has merely "contained" the great offenses of West Virginia and Oregon.
LSU has created more turnovers and plays for loss.
Alabama has a significant advantage in yardage and points.
I know everyone is going to say LSU because this is an LSU board, but looking at the side-by-side statistical comparison, which defense would you take if say, team A was Hawaii and team B was SMU and you had no dog in the fight.
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Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:07 pm to OBUDan
Bama.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:08 pm to OBUDan
we've played better offenses
more turnovers
more TOLs
more sacks
/thread
more turnovers
more TOLs
more sacks
/thread
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:08 pm to guttata
Bama
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:09 pm to OBUDan
Alabama has the better defense in terms of stopping drives while I believe we have the more opportunistic defense because of Tyrann Mathieu and more playmakers on the DL.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:09 pm to theunknownknight
LSU
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:09 pm to thunderbird1100
Bama's defense is a little better imo
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:10 pm to OBUDan
when do they play each other?
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:10 pm to OBUDan
quote:
LSU vs. Alabama - Which Defense is Better?
Bama's defense is a little more stout. They're also not as fast as LSU's and LSU generates more turnovers. Also, the stats are a little skewed for LSU's D since WVU passed so much, but I would take LSU's D solely because of the turnover machine known as The Honey Badger.
This post was edited on 10/10/11 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:10 pm to OBUDan
quote:
Average of offenses played:
323.1 ypg/87th ranked total offenses
23.85 ppg/81st ranked scoring offenses
LSU
254 yards per game
3.85 yards per play
12.5 points per game
14 turnovers gained
48 tackles for loss
13 sacks
31.52 3rd down conversion%
Average of offenses played against (eliminating NW St.):
408.42 yards per game/55th ranked total offenses
32.1 points per game/53rd ranked total offenses
You don't see the faulty logic here?
Of course Bama's opponents will have less yards per game than LSU's, because they played BAMA who is giving up less yards per game than LSU.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:11 pm to OBUDan
The problem is, people will look at one thing or another to make their claim. LSU and Bama are both great defenses, but they're very different.
LSU is fast and aggressive from front to back. Thus the sacks, tackles for loss, and turnover advantage.
Bama is STOUT. Thus the fewer yds allowed, and fewer points allowed. It also helps that they have not faced UO and WVU on the road, but the did face...and dominate...Arky.
If you've watched any Bama games, they have flashes were their defense looks like an NFL defense playing a high school JV offense. They wanna KILL the opposition. I don't think a starting QB has lasted the whole game against them yet. They hit like trucks.
LSU tends to be more aggressive, stripping the ball, intercepting the ball, etc. Also LSU's DL is so fast, we end up with a lot of TFL.
LSU is fast and aggressive from front to back. Thus the sacks, tackles for loss, and turnover advantage.
Bama is STOUT. Thus the fewer yds allowed, and fewer points allowed. It also helps that they have not faced UO and WVU on the road, but the did face...and dominate...Arky.
If you've watched any Bama games, they have flashes were their defense looks like an NFL defense playing a high school JV offense. They wanna KILL the opposition. I don't think a starting QB has lasted the whole game against them yet. They hit like trucks.
LSU tends to be more aggressive, stripping the ball, intercepting the ball, etc. Also LSU's DL is so fast, we end up with a lot of TFL.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:12 pm to OBUDan
Bama stronger LSU faster.
BAMA shuts down offenses, LSU scores on offenses
LSU has to stop run, Bama has to stop pass (bc they WILL stop our run)
BAMA shuts down offenses, LSU scores on offenses
LSU has to stop run, Bama has to stop pass (bc they WILL stop our run)
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:12 pm to theunknownknight
The best defense will be determined the first week in November .
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:12 pm to OBUDan
Does how many quarterbacks or players has each defense knocked out of the game play into the discussion? If so, Bama seems to have the edge at this point... 
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:12 pm to OBUDan
To me Bama is much more physical than LSU.
I think if I was a QB I would rather face LSU than Bama. Bama places a premium on hitting qb's. They get more pressure and push with their front four. Also when they bring a LB he is the same size as most DE's. LSU hasn't pressured QB's much since the WV game. No pressure on Uk or UF QB's. One would think we would have gone after a freshmen QB playing in TS. We didn't which worked effectively but the difference in the 2 defenses is bama would have gone for the kill while LSU waits for the offense to make mistakes.
I think if I was a QB I would rather face LSU than Bama. Bama places a premium on hitting qb's. They get more pressure and push with their front four. Also when they bring a LB he is the same size as most DE's. LSU hasn't pressured QB's much since the WV game. No pressure on Uk or UF QB's. One would think we would have gone after a freshmen QB playing in TS. We didn't which worked effectively but the difference in the 2 defenses is bama would have gone for the kill while LSU waits for the offense to make mistakes.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:13 pm to OBUDan
I think the last drives vs. Oregon and WVU are skewing the stats a bit. We were just sitting back and like OK lets get this game over.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:13 pm to Choctaw
quote:
we've played better offenses more turnovers more TOLs more sacks /thread
This. Not only have we played better offenses, but we've created more havoc on them by looking at the stats/numbers in these categories.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:13 pm to OBUDan
LSU defense will be better than bama's. Come 11-05-11 you will see why.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:14 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
Of course Bama's opponents will have less yards per game than LSU's, because they played BAMA who is giving up less yards per game than LSU.
That works both ways?
"Of course LSU's stats won't look as good, they had to defend West Virginia and Oregon, not North Texas and Kent State."
Posted on 10/10/11 at 1:14 pm to OBUDan
Oh yay! Another LSU v. Bama thread
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