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re: LSU suddenly the trendy dark horse
Posted on 8/30/15 at 11:53 am to BigBrod81
Posted on 8/30/15 at 11:53 am to BigBrod81
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You mean that a true freshman struggled his first year on campus? Even top notch QB prodigies like Andrew Luck & Jameis Winston redshirted because they weren't ready as true freshman.
no i am talking about redshirt senior, 2nd year starting (not counting JUCO), mettenberger
who are you talking about?
and as for the rest of your post, you posted about a situation stat (3rd down efficiency) in one year to cover our QBs 2008-2014
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 11:55 am
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 12:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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2013 had great QB play, but our QB still wasn't even at the level of Bama's RB-turned-QB last year
Yeah, let's not forget half of Sims production went Amari Cooper, the majority which came off of bubble screens. When teams sat on the bubble screen, they would go over the top. (See the Iron Bowl game.) Look at the games teams were able to limit Cooper (Ole Miss, Arkansas & LSU) & you will see games were their offense struggled.
Please show me when & where Sims made tight window throws like this?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 12:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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who are you talking about?
I thought you were talking about Harris. Anyway, you shitted on Mett's production in comparison to Sims so the point still stands.
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and as for the rest of your post, you posted about a situation stat (3rd down efficiency) in one year to cover our QBs 2008-2014
I'm sorry, I didn't know Crowton & Studrawa were still calling plays for the Tigers. Wouldn't you agree it would more accurate to use some stats from the current play caller & not some from 2 coaches who are long gone?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 12:37 pm to BigBrod81
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Yeah, let's not forget half of Sims production went Amari Cooper
you can't make a "WR talent" argument when mett was throwing to OBJ and javis landry
both QBs enjoyed ridiculous WR talent
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Please show me when & where Sims made tight window throws like this?
i can show you his stats and mett's stats, which is what i'm talking about
i can show a bunch of random running plays taht sims had that kept drives alive and ask you to show me where mett did that
neither idiosyncratic example does anything about the overall discussion
Posted on 8/30/15 at 12:39 pm to BigBrod81
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Anyway, you shitted on Mett's production in comparison to Sims
i'm not "shitting" on anything.
don't look it up. which QB had the better season?
QBA: 3250 yards (64.7% @ 9.16 ypa), 26/7
QBB: 3082 yards (64.9% @ 10.4 ypa), 22/8
Posted on 8/30/15 at 12:41 pm to RedTigerRulz
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....but certainly not good
LSU QB play in 2011:
62% completion....21 TDs...5 ints...RAT...148
in Nov. 2012:
62% comp...270 passing a game...rat...150
Mett had a bad Oct in 2012 which saw him comp. barely 40% of his throws, average like 130 yds a game, and have 1 TD to 4 ints.
The Mett who played from Bama on was certainly good in 2012 and it followed that up with even better in 2013.
These idea that LSU QBs were a "horror" in 2011 and 2012 is simply BS.
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 8/30/15 at 12:42 pm to BigBrod81
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Wouldn't you agree it would more accurate to use some stats from the current play caller & not some from 2 coaches who are long gone?
that's not what you were responding to
but if we're talking LSU QB play, it won't work out well for you b/c you'll be left with bringing up anthony jennings and 1 half for harris
Posted on 8/30/15 at 12:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Bama's RB-turned-QB
That's popular to say but incorrect. Sims was a QB-turned-RB-turned QB. He had more pass attempts as a junior than he did rushing attempts.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 12:44 pm to amiznit
it's more used to show that they can make chicken salad out of chicken shite and to ensure people know we're not talking about chest tat
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you can't make a "WR talent" argument when mett was throwing to OBJ and javis landry
When comparing LSU's offense to Alabama's offense from a year ago, show me where LSU had a WR that had the blend of talent, skill & EXPERIENCE that Alabama did.
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i can show you his stats and mett's stats, which is what i'm talking about
i can show a bunch of random running plays taht sims had that kept drives alive and ask you to show me where mett did that
Stats don't always tell the whole story. It's easy to post a bunch a stats without placing them in the right context. I'm sorry but Mett ran a fair more array of complex plays than Sims did. Plus, the only reason Sims had a decent completion percentage was due to the success of the bubble screens & short passes.
Sims was awful when he was forced to make intermediate throws. His accuracy would be all over the place while on the other hand Mett threw accurate darts on those same types of throws the yeat before.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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don't look it up. which QB had the better season?
QBA: 3250 yards (64.7% @ 9.16 ypa), 26/7
QBB: 3082 yards (64.9% @ 10.4 ypa), 22/8
Sims played in 2 more games than Mett if you are trying to compare stats. Sims had the SEC Championship Game & Sugar Bowl while Mett was injured in the regular season finale against Arkansas. Try again.Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:13 pm to BigBrod81
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When comparing LSU's offense to Alabama's offense from a year ago, show me where LSU had a WR that had the blend of talent, skill & EXPERIENCE that Alabama did.
we had 2 in 2013. jarvis landry and OBJ
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I'm sorry but Mett ran a fair more array of complex plays than Sims did.
and?
what's the point of a complex offense if the results suffer?
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Plus, the only reason Sims had a decent completion percentage was due to the success of the bubble screens & short passes.
why don't we use more bubble screens and short passes, then?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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2013 had great QB play, but our QB still wasn't even at the level of Bama's RB-turned-QB last year
The only way Sims was any better than Mett was his ability to scramble and make plays with his feet.... Other than that Mett was far better... And don't bring ANY stats........ There is way more than just stats in judging a QB... Mett had ONE bad game in 2013 and that was Ole Miss.......
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:17 pm to BigBrod81
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Sims played in 2 more games than Mett if you are trying to compare stats. Sims had the SEC Championship Game & Sugar Bowl while Mett was injured in the regular season finale against Arkansas. Try again.
those stats don't include 2 more games than mett's season. try again.
they also don't include his rushing. i tried to keep it even for mett by limiting it to passing pre-playoffs, but if you insist
QBA: 73 for 321 yards, 6 TDs
QBB: 34 for -133 yards, 0 TDs
now it's not even close
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
I agree the success of Alabama ' s offense is based on that they keep the other teams guessing. LSU'S offense is so inept at passing that it is painful to watch. Our greatest offense was with Metts because of the pass being a factor. Minus 2013 this offense at LSU is down right predictable and Les's days are numbered. My .02
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what's the point of a complex offense if the results suffer?
You show me where the results suffered for LSU. The efficiency numbers are posted above to go along having the first 3000 yard passer, 2 1000 receivers & 1000 yard back in SEC history. Does that sound like suffering?
Also, show me where the Tigers had 5th Senior throwing to the most talented Junior receiver in the nation a year ago? You can say whatever you want to but experience always plays a factor in situations like this. The Tigers weren't just raw at QB a year ago, they were raw at every offensive skill position on the field. Alabama had 2 veterans to lean on while LSU didn't have that luxury. It's that simple.
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why don't we use more bubble screens and short passes, then?
Did you not see Jennings accuracy on short to intermediate throws last year??? Sims struggled with the intermediate throws but at least he was able to complete the short ones. Jennings accuracy on short throws is the entire reason the staff went run heavy after the Auburn in the first place. You can't continue pushing a player to do something he is obviously struggling with.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they also don't include his rushing.
Why did Mett need to run in 2013 when he had Jeremy Hill & Terrence Magee to turn & hand the ball off too?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
PASSING GP Effic Cmp-Att-Int Pct Yards TD Long Avg/G
Blake Sims 14 157.9 252-391-10 64.5 3487 28 87 249.1
Mettenberger 12 171.4 192-296-8 64.9 3082 22 63 256.8
so who is QBA if it isn't Sims?
Blake Sims 14 157.9 252-391-10 64.5 3487 28 87 249.1
Mettenberger 12 171.4 192-296-8 64.9 3082 22 63 256.8
so who is QBA if it isn't Sims?
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:37 pm to dukke v
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Mett had ONE bad game in 2013 and that was Ole Miss.......
On the other hand, Sims played like arse against Ole Miss, Arkansas & LSU last year.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:40 pm to BigBrod81
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On the other hand, Sims played like arse against Ole Miss, Arkansas & LSU last year.
Yup... I just don't see any comparison........
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