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re: LSU Running Spread in 2012?
Posted on 2/8/12 at 11:37 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Posted on 2/8/12 at 11:37 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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I just wish we would decided on ONE strategy and RUN IT.
we did that last yr. we greatly streamlined what we did as compared to some of the stuff Crowton did. we just weren't consistently good at executing, particularly the last couple games.
some consistency in the passing game will go a long way toward making everyone feel good about the offense again. I think we'll get that in Mett.
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Posted on 2/8/12 at 11:46 am to OBUDan
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If a spread system is something you run when you lack talent (in your estimation) and the results are proven positive, wouldn't they only increase if you had talent?
Not really because a spread offense often breaks down easier then a traditional balanced attack. Communication breakdowns due to the fast pace can cause turnovers and quick 3 and outs.
The most effective offense is still a balanced attack. Run to set up the pass or pass to set up the run.
The reason teams like WV and TT run a spread passing offense is because they put their best players on offense, not really on defense.
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I still think LSU will remain multiple. We'll run our fair share of I formation, 2 TE sets and we'll probably run 4-wide stuff as well. It seems to be what Les prefers.
And this is the exact type of offense we need to run. A balanced attack is the most dangerous. It also requires talent at every position and good enough so that the passing game can win when the running game is stuffed and vice versa.
This post was edited on 2/8/12 at 11:49 am
Posted on 2/8/12 at 2:59 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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It's almost like trying to do too many things and only being average at all of them, instead of doing one thing and being very good at it. I want us to just play to our strengths, use all of the talent we have, and be CONSISTENT.
I mentioned earlier, but there's a really nice article on ESPN insider about how dynamic our rushing attack was because we seamlessly moved between blocking schemes (zone and man), and formations, as well as utilized all of our personnel in each different look so there was nothing to key on.
I think the real issue is having a consistent threat at QB for the passing game. Bring that to life and we have an offense that will be tough to stop.
Posted on 2/8/12 at 3:04 pm to Chimlim
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Not really because a spread offense often breaks down easier then a traditional balanced attack. Communication breakdowns due to the fast pace can cause turnovers and quick 3 and outs.
Pacing is pacing though. Any type of offense can run a fast pace. We can run a "spread offense" out of huddle, while burning time.
I agree that the fast pace can sometimes put an unnecessary burden on your defense (though I bet Chip Kelly and Rich Rod could give you statistics suggesting that the increased pace leads to more scoring for them and in some sense "less burden" for the defense).
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The most effective offense is still a balanced attack. Run to set up the pass or pass to set up the run.
I agree, balance is ideal. But you can get balance in a spread. It's just the most of the spread guys don't run a balanced attack... heavy rushing OR heavy passing. But that's just their philosophies.
Holgorsen runs it a lot more than people think. They were actually considerably more "balanced" than LSU last year.
Posted on 2/8/12 at 5:48 pm to OBUDan
Just having a legitimate threat to throw the ball is going to do wonders for the offense. We don't need the spread, we need what Lee gave us early on. Someone who can keep the safeties out of the "LBer" zone, and tell them also to step up off our nootz.
Balanced offense suits our personelle because we have good to great players at every position. I would be interested to see how we could run the ball out of 3 WR sets, and to see if other teams would try nickle packs against the Tigers instead of lining up an LB on Landry or Transfer Threatener. All in all, I think we can all agree that any OC in the nation would drool over the possibilities going into this year.
Top Juco Qb? Check. Six deep starting OLmen, check. Ridiculous RBs who can each avg 4ypc, check. Deep, decent WR corps? Check. TEs with good experience, and the former Raiders TE coach coming in to help out? Check. Damn, just damn.
Balanced offense suits our personelle because we have good to great players at every position. I would be interested to see how we could run the ball out of 3 WR sets, and to see if other teams would try nickle packs against the Tigers instead of lining up an LB on Landry or Transfer Threatener. All in all, I think we can all agree that any OC in the nation would drool over the possibilities going into this year.
Top Juco Qb? Check. Six deep starting OLmen, check. Ridiculous RBs who can each avg 4ypc, check. Deep, decent WR corps? Check. TEs with good experience, and the former Raiders TE coach coming in to help out? Check. Damn, just damn.
Posted on 2/8/12 at 6:02 pm to OBUDan
Sure is alot of confusion on here about what spread offence is. I believe this comes from our past expearence with Gary Crowton who ran a spread option. Which I believe no one here wants to go back to that mess.
I think what we are going to see is an offense similar to what the Saints and many other NFL teams run. The ability to spread the defence out with 4 & 5 wide receiver sets, the single back set, power formations, I-formations, and maybe a little option thrown in there. All of this can be done with a huddle with the QB in shotgun or under center. If you do not follow the Saints try and watch a game and you can see what I am saying.
If we run an offense somewhat similar to this, it will be something to see. A little bit of everything to keep the opposing defence on their heels. I think we can because we have the talent to do it.
I think what we are going to see is an offense similar to what the Saints and many other NFL teams run. The ability to spread the defence out with 4 & 5 wide receiver sets, the single back set, power formations, I-formations, and maybe a little option thrown in there. All of this can be done with a huddle with the QB in shotgun or under center. If you do not follow the Saints try and watch a game and you can see what I am saying.
If we run an offense somewhat similar to this, it will be something to see. A little bit of everything to keep the opposing defence on their heels. I think we can because we have the talent to do it.
Posted on 2/8/12 at 6:07 pm to DownHome
DownHome, To assume that Les allows that, 
Posted on 2/8/12 at 6:34 pm to eman65
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eman65
One can dream can't he.
Posted on 2/8/12 at 8:12 pm to Hung like Mule
Lee could throw and he did it quite well in 2011. I'm assuming all the "now we have a QB that can throw" jabs are aimed directly at Jefferson. I have no problem with that. Just tired of the dis on Lee - implied or not.
Looking forward to 2012! Geaux Tigers!
Looking forward to 2012! Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 2/9/12 at 7:33 am to DrD
I appologize for my previous WVU comment about them being a spread option offense, I forgot to add Rich Rod to that statement.
But I return to another previous example, the New Orleans Saints. This is what I feel would be LSU's model for a spread offense. Mixing in run to set up the pass or pass to set up the run. The thing that also gets opened up with a semi-spread offense is th screen game. With a back like Blue, the screen would become an extremely valuable part of this offense. Also, with the speed we have at WR, the spread can be extremely effective now that we have a qb the coaches can trust to make the right decisions. It's been well noted that Mett has an extremely high football iq. That alone puts our offense in a better position to succeed. The spread requires a smart qb, add in the fact that Mett has a gun and you get an offense that could potentially be in the top 20 in the country this coming season.
Outside of passing, the spread can set up miles "smash mouth" football he loves so much. When you have a legitamate passing threat and can throw out of any formation, you create delimas for the deffense. Then you get the chance to play the matchup game. It opens up the offense beyond just th Xs and Os.
But I return to another previous example, the New Orleans Saints. This is what I feel would be LSU's model for a spread offense. Mixing in run to set up the pass or pass to set up the run. The thing that also gets opened up with a semi-spread offense is th screen game. With a back like Blue, the screen would become an extremely valuable part of this offense. Also, with the speed we have at WR, the spread can be extremely effective now that we have a qb the coaches can trust to make the right decisions. It's been well noted that Mett has an extremely high football iq. That alone puts our offense in a better position to succeed. The spread requires a smart qb, add in the fact that Mett has a gun and you get an offense that could potentially be in the top 20 in the country this coming season.
Outside of passing, the spread can set up miles "smash mouth" football he loves so much. When you have a legitamate passing threat and can throw out of any formation, you create delimas for the deffense. Then you get the chance to play the matchup game. It opens up the offense beyond just th Xs and Os.
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