re: Logical LSU fan check in thread.

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I love douchebags like you who cant have actual conversations with people on this site without your little quips.

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It's hard to have a "real conversation" with someone who calls people illogical and douchebags.

Maybe you should work on your social skills.

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The reason I would consider 3-4 losses as "rebuilding" in a logical manner is because I would consider it incredibly Illogical to think a new HC/OC could come in and win 11 games and make the playoffs in year 1.

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No one has expected this. Find me a poster who said we should fire Orgeron for not making the playoff or finishing with 2 losses. A "rebuilding year" at LSU tends to not consist of a blowout loss to a bottom feeding SEC team.

And never mind the fact that we shouldn't be rebuilding, given that was O's pitch from the very beginning. And I know, I know. You don't think any other program could avoid a rebuild with a new HC and OC, despite overwhelming evidence that is has occurred, numerous times.

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I didn't want Les gone if I knew Alleva would hire CEO.

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*steps on soapbox*

Okay - here is more truth telling, adult stuff (and I'm going to get labeled as an O-pumper soon enough, if not already, but frick it - I'm an LSU fan) - to use the "Fire O" folks' language - what in Alleva's background made you believe he was competent to make this hire?

Many of us who were still supporting the team under Miles, particularly in 2014 and 2015, raised EXACTLY this alarm - Alleva would be in charge of the search. The negas said, "Nah - the money folks and university won't let him mess that up." Then FKING came in and did exactly that by overruling Alleva in his abortive coup in 2015.

So, he started off half emasculated to begin 2016 as it was. His manhood was all but challenged. Miles probably told him as much, "Fire me, motherfricker - I double-dog dare you!" And he did - with no plan, no resources, no IDEA on how to replace the most successful - objectively - coach in LSU's history by an order of magnitude over Tier 2 (Dietzel, Mac and Saban).

Fisher was a pipe dream. Once the Texas vacancy was even a significant possibility, so was Herman. In Alleva's brain, that made it make sense to hire O and keep much of Miles' staff intact.

That is not how great programs change coaches. Some have tried the HCIW - it worked for FSU. It didn't with Texas (both with Saban protégés, I might add).

We might have done that with Aranda and given Miles another 2 years (2016 and 2017) to sort of tidy up and do a smooth transition.

Alleva didn't do that. He didn't have the balls to clean house and he didn't have the balls to do a smooth transition - so we have this half-assed, "worst" of everything approach to deal with, probably through 2019 if it's unsuccessful.

And may God help us if it's Alleva making the change then.

*steps off soapbox*

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. A convincing win against the Orange isn't the proper metric to see improvement.

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But it will be to the throngs who don't know shite about football.

I'm not saying that it is or isn't a proper metric, but it will be perceived as "improvement enough" for this place to calm the frick down for a few days.

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Fisher was a pipe dream. Once the Texas vacancy was even a significant possibility, so was Herman. In Alleva's brain, that made it make sense to hire O and keep much of Miles' staff intact.

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It only made sense to hire O if you were an O dick sucker.

Hell the DLine coach got got promoted over a DC who had one of the best defenses in the country.

CEO got the job because he is one of us.

No one else with CEO record would have even got a sniff at a HC job with the record he had.


Let alone the HC job at LSU.

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frick it, man, that's the past. He's not Ole Miss' coach - he's ours. WE hired him. You and I didn't have a say so, but we hired him to coach our team. You can't fire the HC every time the team loses a game. That's the opposite of how to do it.

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I'm not saying fire him right now. I know we can't, and that barring a winless SEC season he's probably getting next year too. I also just want LSU to win. I would love nothing more than O to prove me wrong, the State game was a fluke and we go 9-3 and then have a great off-season.

But what we're saying is there is no basis for that to happen. What will happen, O getting a second and possibly third year despite sub-par results at best, is far different from what should happen. Which is he has one year to show he's different from the guy who coached at Ole Miss. And in the court of public opinion it is perfectly valid, in fact it's intellectually dishonest not to, take into account his time at Ole Miss.

I'd also like to say I don't think it would have taken a master negotiator to get Fleck.

I mean, the man ended up at Minnesota of all places.

At this point I'd be ecstatic with Frank Wilson, even.

With either of those coaches our fan base could at least take a step back and accept that it will take some time, because many believe they are actually good coaches.

Many in our fan base, myself included, never believed O to be a good coach, for somewhere between 3-21 reasons. So when he loses like this, we KNOW it ain't gettin' better. That's a hard pill to swallow.

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Which brings me to a personnel change that ought to be made even before the AD change ...

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sounds like a lot of other shite needs to happen before LSU gets a real HC

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Period. It would be better to stop talking about it - okay, maybe talk about it in objective analysis, but FFS stop obsessing about it. That was then and this is now.

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Have you seen the bass drum thing? He has not learned a single thing from his time at Ole Miss. He's doing the exact same things. Firing him can relate to Ole Miss in the sense that he has a shorter leash. He's not a young up and comer who is going to learn from his mistakes on the job at a big time university. O has already failed at a big time university and ostensibly learned from that experience.

If we find out quickly, and it looks like we are, that in fact he has not learned anything and is repeating his exact same tactics it would be mind boggling if that didn't hasten our desire to cut our losses

A severe arse beating vibrates the rocks and out from under they crawl and rant their panties off

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I was not a fan of hiring O, that's on Alleva, et al. But posters continuing to vent nonstop ad nauseam on the same points is pointless.

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Everything people do on here is pointless. Except the occasional real life moment like the ot-lounge thread where the guy gave the info to find the Mickey Shunick killer. But it's an internet message board called the rant. Bitching about our coaching hire and how we're reliving an Ole Miss time loop from ten years ago is just as productive as talking about our defensive adjustments. Neither one has any actual impact.