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re: Link to Wisconsin practice video (for those interested)
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:02 am to Johnkester59
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:02 am to Johnkester59
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Besides your fictional and meaningless recruiting rankings
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:03 am to Johnkester59
we haven't lost a regular season OOC game since saban was here. Prepare thy anus Wisconsin.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 11:04 am
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:04 am to 5Alive
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:11 am to SabiDojo
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Didn't FSU blow the doors off of you guys in 2008? Too much speed then.
You're right and your wrong on that one, a game that I have tried to block completely from my memory. The box score does not give an accurate depiction of that game.
It was 14-6 FSU with under 5 minutes to play in the third quarter before the wheels just completely fell off. The issue was our QB, not some insurmountable speed edge by FSU, though they were the more athletic team. The score got out of hand because we had a qb who literally could not complete a 5 yard out pattern and who had two fumbles returned for TDs. Our 2 star RB had 140 yards on 15 carries, while their 5 star NFL back Antone Smith had 39 yards on 16 carries. Bottom line being that their fans gave us respect before the game for the most part.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 11:16 am
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:14 am to wilceaux
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You obviously haven't been paying attention.
Most of the people on this board think it's going to be an ugly, hard fought game.
LSU has the better defense; therefore, they have the advantage.
Personally, I'm thinking 30-17, LSU.
Maybe this is the disconnect right here. 30-17 is not a hard fought close game to me. 20-17 or 17-14 would be a close game. You are saying you expect LSU to score nearly twice as much as the Badgers. To me that says you are not in fact expecting a close game but think LSU will win rather easily.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:19 am to Johnkester59
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It was 14-6 FSU with under 5 minutes to play in the third quarter before the wheels just completely fell off. The issue was our QB, not some insurmountable speed edge by FSU, though they were the more athletic team. The score got out of hand because we had a qb who literally could not complete a 5 yard out pattern and who had two fumbles returned for TDs. Our 2 star RB had 140 yards on 15 carries, while their 5 star NFL back Antone Smith had 39 yards on 16 carries. Bottom line being that their fans gave us respect before the game for the most part
FSU scored two touchdowns in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter. They got rolling and didn't stop. Their defense returned two fumbles for long touchdowns.
Wisconsin did bounce back against Miami, but Miami sucks. Nonetheless, I agree the expectations are much different now than they were then.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:20 am to Johnkester59
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Maybe this is the disconnect right here. 30-17 is not a hard fought close game to me. 20-17 or 17-14 would be a close game. You are saying you expect LSU to score nearly twice as much as the Badgers. To me that says you are not in fact expecting a close game but think LSU will win rather easily.
Well technically, I said most of the people feel this way. I didn't say I feel this way.
But 30-17 doesn't mean the game won't be hard fought and close. I think the game is close until the fourth quarter, then LSU pulls away at the end with a late TD.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:30 am to wilceaux
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Besides your fictional and meaningless recruiting rankings
Yeah, no correlation regarding recruiting rankings and overall success. I'm glad that you are trying to talk yourself into the fact you're on a level playing field with lsu. It makes whipping that arse more enojoyable.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:31 am to monsterballads
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it was 21-7 in the 4th quarter with QB having a freshman qb make his first start, on the road, with a wet ball.
iowa was never really in the game.
For all of 20 seconds. The score was 21-7 from 2:02 until 1:42 in the 4th. For most of the second half it was a 1 score game with all of the momentum on Iowa's side. They were most certainly in the game. I don't buy the freshman excuse either. He had a whole month to prepare knowing he was the starter, it is not like Mett got knocked out late in the third quarter and the backup had to win it coming in cold (like Iowa). The game plan was built knowing that Jennings would play the whole game.
A road game!?! Are you kidding me? The game was played in an SEC state. Come play the biggest game of your season up in Chicago or Minneapolis or Cleveland every year against Midwestern teams and then you can start complaining about road games in bowls to a B1G team. Not to mention the fact that you played at a neutral site more than twice as far from Iowa as it was from LA while we played them in Iowa City.
Was the ball not wet for Iowa too? Sounds like a whole lot of BS to justify how you guys had a real game against a team we blew out. Just saying.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:47 am to goldengorilla
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Yeah, no correlation regarding recruiting rankings and overall success. I'm glad that you are trying to talk yourself into the fact you're on a level playing field with lsu. It makes whipping that arse more enojoyable.
I would not argue that there is no correlation, just that it is not nearly as important as SEC fan bases love to make it seem. They are FOR PROFIT private rankings by scouts who are not very good at scouting.
UW has never been ranked in the top 25 yet we are one of the top NFL player producing schools in the country. They are meaningless as a measure of team quality. You point to 50 star super recruits as a reason that UW should be worried while I point to Iowa as a reason why we are not. You have the next Michael Jordan/Bo Jackson/George Washington coming in on his way to 4 Heismans while I counter with our guy who is rated the #1 RB prospect in the draft coming off a season where he led the nation in YPC. Your guys many all end up as 1st round picks and AA's but history has proven that that will not really happen. Some will get hurt or high and leave the team. Some will have peaked in high school or lost their passion for the game and flame out. Until we see them on the field all those rankings mean squat. On the field, in reality, UW has proven over the last two decades that we can play with anybody. LSU is probably the better team, but that is not because Scout or 247 or Rivals said so.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:53 am to Johnkester59
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I point to Iowa as a reason why we are not
Y'all are putting way too much stock into this game. Wisconsin is a good team and this will be a close game.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:54 am to More beer please
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we haven't lost a regular season OOC game since saban was here.
Again, why is this game going to be any different?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:57 am to Johnkester59
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Link to Wisconsin practice video (for those interested) quote: it was 21-7 in the 4th quarter with QB having a freshman qb make his first start, on the road, with a wet ball. iowa was never really in the game. For all of 20 seconds. The score was 21-7 from 2:02 until 1:42 in the 4th. For most of the second half it was a 1 score game with all of the momentum on Iowa's side. They were most certainly in the game. I don't buy the freshman excuse either. He had a whole month to prepare knowing he was the starter, it is not like Mett got knocked out late in the third quarter and the backup had to win it coming in cold (like Iowa). The game plan was built knowing that Jennings would play the whole game. A road game!?! Are you kidding me? The game was played in an SEC state. Come play the biggest game of your season up in Chicago or Minneapolis or Cleveland every year against Midwestern teams and then you can start complaining about road games in bowls to a B1G team. Not to mention the fact that you played at a neutral site more than twice as far from Iowa as it was from LA while we played them in Iowa City. Was the ball not wet for Iowa too? Sounds like a whole lot of BS to justify how you guys had a real game against a team we blew out. Just saying.
1. You blamed the loss to FSU on your poor QB play, but when we say we had a freshman starting at QB for the first time, you just blow it off.
2. Iowa never had control of that game. A interception return and a kickoff return was all they could manage. Cameron tried to open up the offense in the second half but the sloppy field and interception cause the staff to rethink pressing on offense.
3. How the hell is Florida a home game for LSU. You need to study your geography. It irritates me to no end when people Atlanta, Houston, or Dallas are home games for LSU. LSU players are sleeping in hotels, practicing at a different facility and playing on a different field just like their opponents. Plus Iowa had more fans at the game than LSU did.
4. It sounds like you underestimate LSU's program, too. You're pretty much saying because y'all blew out Iowa and we didn't, then you should beat us. It does work that way. LSU and Wisky are different teams now. We have both lost key players. IMO, this will be a competitive game. The 30-17 score isn't a bad prediction. It's just under two TDs. The score could easily be 23-17 late in the 4th quarter.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 12:09 pm to Johnkester59
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I would not argue that there is no correlation, just that it is not nearly as important as SEC fan bases love to make it seem. They are FOR PROFIT private rankings by scouts who are not very good at scouting
The SEC's domination of the National Title for the last decade disagrees. Bama is a prime example of what recruiting means.....
Your take on recruiting is dead wrong.
ETA:
LSU 34
Wisky 17
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 12:19 pm to wilceaux
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Well technically, I said most of the people feel this way. I didn't say I feel this way.
But 30-17 doesn't mean the game won't be hard fought and close. I think the game is close until the fourth quarter, then LSU pulls away at the end with a late TD.
Haha, fair enough. I could see it going that way, though I would be surprised if the final margin for either team is that high. And you are right, I should amend my 'most' and 'many' to 'some'. There are many fans here who see the same thing I do, a close game between two talented but flawed teams, and it is unfair of me to lump everyone in the same boat.
It just gets under my skin as a Badger fan that we still have to see comments like those calling for an easy win based on LSU's speed or UW's lack thereof in this day and age. We have 20 years now of playing well above the perceived talent level of our team for people to fall back on now instead of the same old "they are from the far North and are really white therefore they must suck" cliches we are subjected too every time we play a decent OOC team.
The NFL is full of Badgers, including the reigning NFL champion QB (Wilson) and the NFL defensive player of the year (Watt, 2012) and several other all pros. We went to five BCS games during the era, the same number as teams such as Oregon, Michigan and…LSU. We have 2 Heisman Trophy winners (Ameche, Dayne), one more than LSU FWIW. Badger players hold the all time NCAA records for rushing yards (Dayne) and TDs (Ball) in a career, as well as rushing TDs in a season (Ball) some of the most prestigious records in the sport. And we have won the B1G 3 of the last 4 years including two conference championship games.
I know that LSU's list blows ours out of the water. I'm not trying to say that UW=LSU. I am saying that UW is no joke anymore. We are a legit program and have been one for some time now. We are not like most B1G teams. We are, or are like, the best B1G team. Most significantly we are not a team that gets blownout by anyone anymore, and we are most certainly not a team to take lightly. We have the record to prove it over the last 5 years. So when fans do take us lightly I tend to react strongly.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 12:46 pm to toughcrittercrumb
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1. You blamed the loss to FSU on your poor QB play, but when we say we had a freshman starting at QB for the first time, you just blow it off.
You left out the subtleties. I was never comparing those two. I was saying that UW lost to FSU so badly because our QB was awful not because FSU was so fast we had no answer. I dismissed your freshman QB excuse because 1) He is your QB next year, the guy that is going to beat us despite losing his WR's and his RB. Therefore he should be good enough to beat Iowa pretty easily with all of those guys and a month to prepare. The fact that he didn't does not leave me overly impressed. 2) Iowa lost there starting QB for the entire 4th Quarter. That is a much more daunting situation for a much less heralded back up QB to come into. Any disadvantage LSU faced was more than met by Iowa losing Rudock mid game.
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2. Iowa never had control of that game. A interception return and a kickoff return was all they could manage. Cameron tried to open up the offense in the second half but the sloppy field and interception cause the staff to rethink pressing on offense.
But they had life throughout it and a fair bit of momentum in the second half. The game flow you just described is Iowa football. They scrap and scrape for every break and keep the game as ugly as possible to give their terrible O a chance to pull it out late. That wasn't just happenstance, that is how Iowa plays and forces you to play.
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3. How the hell is Florida a home game for LSU. You need to study your geography. It irritates me to no end when people Atlanta, Houston, or Dallas are home games for LSU. LSU players are sleeping in hotels, practicing at a different facility and playing on a different field just like their opponents. Plus Iowa had more fans at the game than LSU did.
That is the definition of a neutral site game, something very different from a road game. And one that is much closer and in a much closer environment to what LSU players are practicing in than the players for Iowa. If Iowa had more fans thats a you problem, LSU had every advantage to have more.
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4. It sounds like you underestimate LSU's program, too. You're pretty much saying because y'all blew out Iowa and we didn't, then you should beat us. It does work that way. LSU and Wisky are different teams now. We have both lost key players. IMO, this will be a competitive game. The 30-17 score isn't a bad prediction. It's just under two TDs. The score could easily be 23-17 late in the 4th quarter.
That is not at all what I am saying. My initial post in this thread was responding to someone who said that only MSU and OSU in the B1G could give LSU a game. I responded that that was a funny stance considering a team from the B1G who is much worse than the Badgers gave LSU a close game their very last time out. I was also calling out people who think that LSU is going to win in a blowout.
I think it is going to be a very close game and I have no idea who is going to win it. As you said we both lost a lot of key pieces. 30-17 would be the worst Badger loss since Oct 10th 2009. I would not consider that an acceptable outcome at all and I would be fairly shocked if it happened. I think 31-24 is much more likely.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 12:57 pm to Johnkester59
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I dismissed your freshman QB excuse because 1) He is your QB next year, the guy that is going to beat us despite losing his WR's and his RB. Therefore he should be good enough to beat Iowa pretty easily with all of those guys and a month to prepare.
Never go full retard bro. Also there's a real chance that Anthony Jennings WONT be our starting QB this season. Chances are he starts for Whisky, but its by no means a done deal.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:03 pm to CharlesLSU
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The SEC's domination of the National Title for the last decade disagrees. Bama is a prime example of what recruiting means.....
Your take on recruiting is dead wrong.
I never offered my take on recruiting, I offered my take on recruiting rankings. Where was Ol Miss and their super classes during that title run? Where was Florida for half of it for that matter? Or Auburn? I'd bet my life that they are in the top 10 every year in the recruiting rankings though. The rankings are meaningless. They have no incentive to be objective. College football is a much bigger deal down South than it is anywhere else and the infrastructure reflects that.
How many scouts do you think they send to the north woods of Wisconsin? It doesn't matter because regardless of what they say or don't say about them they are going to produce at least one NFL caliber O lineman and he will commit to the Badgers, every year. The talent is either there or it isn't and Scout/Rivals/247 or whichever rankings mean nothing to the actual talent that has been assembled. Sure it looks good on paper and they give people something to talk about but as a tool for evaluating College Football teams they are worthless.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:07 pm to Tedock
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Also there's a real chance that Anthony Jennings WONT be our starting QB this season. Chances are he starts for Whisky, but its by no means a done deal.
That's news to me. Is Harris making that much of a push? Either way it doesn't really change my overall point; that signs do not point to an LSU blow out but rather a close, hard fought game.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:22 pm to Johnkester59
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That's news to me. Is Harris making that much of a push?
This is us telling you we have no idea who will be playing QB
. Jennings will probably start against Wisconsin but Harris could definitely see playing time in that game. We have too many question marks at QB for me to say we will blow out Wisconsin. It will be a close game IMO.
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