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re: LF7 YAC - O Line Stacked
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:30 am to Douboy
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:30 am to Douboy
One reason LF has so many yards before being contacted is that he eludes defenders who are in the gap (on the outside). Remember when he took that lateral from Harris when Harris was being sacked? He took it 50 yards without being touched. That was due to LF's great play, not the oline.
Also, when he takes an inside run to the outside, it's his speed and vision that makes him untouched. He is running behind the best LSU line I've ever seen, but he's doing a lot on his own. The best case for LF is to just ignore the stats and watch him.
Also, when he takes an inside run to the outside, it's his speed and vision that makes him untouched. He is running behind the best LSU line I've ever seen, but he's doing a lot on his own. The best case for LF is to just ignore the stats and watch him.
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Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:40 am to rumproast
The argument is dumb, I agree. However, the point was that a guy like Dalvin Cooks is putting up big numbers behind a crappy line.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:43 am to Douboy
Great backs make lineman look better and great lineman make backs look better. Unfair and impossible to judge until they are at the next level and apart from each other... Take Alan Faneca, arguably the best offensive lineman from LSU over the last 25 years. Can you name the famous running backs that he made great? No? Let me help you, Harvey Williams was about as good as it got during Faneca's jr and sr years - and Harvey never made it to a level of distinction though he did manage a few years in the NFL. Faneca did not make Harvey better and Harvey did not make Alan better. What's happening now is that we have too many ex jocks wearing $800 suits and $250 ties who have to maintain self respect by analyzing to death a game that isn't about anything more than blocking and tackling. As a result there are dozens of sycophantic media types who sniff jocks and think more highly of themselves as a result. They all need something to say and they have to come up with some controversial insight so that the other sycophants can then argue or confirm the latest BS dribbling to fall from their up top orifice... which usually stinks more and has less meaning than the shite that falls out of their down low orifice. Or, as Shakespeare said, "A lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing..."
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:49 am to Douboy
Football is a team sport. We've had great O-lines in the past. Probably every program has had a great O-line at some point. But to have a guy who can then carry the ball, find and hit the holes, beat the second level defenders and average 200 yards per game, that is unusual. Of course that was Greg McElroy talking this morning. He's a 27 year old washed up Bama quarterback. He's a Bama homer kid. He does not have the experience or knowledge to speak with authority.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:52 am to TBoy
Ask Mark Ingram if a dominant O Line is a negative or positive. Also, ask him if coming from a premier football school matters.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:02 am to Douboy
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Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:02 am to Douboy
Here is the problem I have with this simplistic view, yes the line is very good...but when you have a back with the legit speed of LF7, that absolutely plays a part in the yards before contact because it is hard to make contact with a player much faster than you. That yards before contact stat is a function of both the line and also Fournettes rare ability.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:04 am to Douboy
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Discuss.
If he did not have a DOMINANT offensive line he would most likely be hurt by now. Anyway this does not explain his destroying DBs at the second level. The man just runs angry.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:26 am to Douboy
No one specifically said the O line was a negative in regards to Fournette getting the Heisman. I think you inferred that. I inferred something completely different. What was said was that Fournette and Boykin were in the lead and that those two aren't really all that close. Fournette is way out in front at the moment. Then he (McElroy) talked about the stat reported on ESPN about being 14th in the nation even if he were stopped at first contact. I took that to mean that the O line was a postive for Fournette. That this would make it even more difficult to catch Fournette in the Heisman race. Of course, McElroy is cerainly Bama biased; I could be wrong. That's just the way I heard it.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:33 am to Douboy
And so we've entered the point in the season where the front-runner gets picked apart by all of the contrarians in the media for any reason they can create. It becomes boring to praise the same guy over and over. Christ, the dude put up 180 yards and 2 TDs against a top defense this past weekend and some folks have the gall to knock his performance.
Sports media has to fill lots of airtime. Unfortunately that means spewing incessant bullshite and creating argument upon argument for and against individual athletes, teams, and leagues.
He could have a + 200 yd, 3 TD game in a win versus Bama, and you'd still have assholes suggesting someone else is better or more deserving. It's just what it is.
O-line is too good? Give me a fricking break.
Sports media has to fill lots of airtime. Unfortunately that means spewing incessant bullshite and creating argument upon argument for and against individual athletes, teams, and leagues.
He could have a + 200 yd, 3 TD game in a win versus Bama, and you'd still have assholes suggesting someone else is better or more deserving. It's just what it is.
O-line is too good? Give me a fricking break.
This post was edited on 10/21/15 at 10:36 am
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:36 am to Douboy
The O-line will win or lose the 'Bama game for LSU.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:39 am to Douboy
that's like saying a Heisman QB shouldn't have a dominant Receiver.
this is a team sport after all. manziel has mike evans, and a great o line. same with tebow and his o line with percy.
mark ingram had one of the best offensive lines of this decade.
this is a team sport after all. manziel has mike evans, and a great o line. same with tebow and his o line with percy.
mark ingram had one of the best offensive lines of this decade.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:39 am to TopsInAmericaTim
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Great backs make lineman look better and great lineman make backs look better. Unfair and impossible to judge until they are at the next level and apart from each other... Take Alan Faneca, arguably the best offensive lineman from LSU over the last 25 years. Can you name the famous running backs that he made great? No? Let me help you, Harvey Williams was about as good as it got during Faneca's jr and sr years - and Harvey never made it to a level of distinction though he did manage a few years in the NFL. Faneca did not make Harvey better and Harvey did not make Alan better. What's happening now is that we have too many ex jocks wearing $800 suits and $250 ties who have to maintain self respect by analyzing to death a game that isn't about anything more than blocking and tackling. As a result there are dozens of sycophantic media types who sniff jocks and think more highly of themselves as a result. They all need something to say and they have to come up with some controversial insight so that the other sycophants can then argue or confirm the latest BS dribbling to fall from their up top orifice... which usually stinks more and has less meaning than the shite that falls out of their down low orifice. Or, as Shakespeare said, "A lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing..."
Allen Faneca didn't have a sr. year, and blocked for Kevin Faulk for his last 2 years at LSU.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 11:08 am to Douboy
Ever think that Fournette contributes to this stat by hitting the hole so fast?
Think this stat is inflated when he jukes a DE in the backfield so hard the DE never touches him?
Think this stat is inflated when he jukes a DE in the backfield so hard the DE never touches him?
Posted on 10/21/15 at 11:11 am to jimbeam
How do you frickers always get this wrong? QUESTION MARK. I fricking hate grammar police...especially hypocritical ones.
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Dominant* How do you frickers always get this wrong
Posted on 10/21/15 at 11:26 am to JAComo
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I fricking hate grammar police...especially hypocritical ones.
I concur. Get a life, already.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 11:29 am to Douboy
Not to be a dick, but there is a very distinct difference between dominate and dominant, even on a 2" virtual keyboard.
Brought to you from my iPhone 5s.
Carry on.
Brought to you from my iPhone 5s.
Carry on.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 12:33 pm to Douboy
Reminds me of Nate Newton. Talks about how he sucked then became all-Pro once they got Emmit Smith.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 12:44 pm to Douboy
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and they said that having such a dominate O Line was a negative for LF in regards to the Heisman.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 12:46 pm to Stingray
This o-line is really good, they make Brandon Harris look better than he really is.
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