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re: Lets take a closer look at the facts on our OL recruiting the last 4-5 years
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:12 pm to DONHOGG
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:12 pm to DONHOGG
Yea my dad watched him a lot in HS and couldn't believe he was a starter. I think he's slightly overachieved even though he's not that good.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 11:17 pm
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:17 pm to Madking
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When you say facts then fail to list even half of the players we lost it doesn't really add up.
I could have listed Okeke and our composite rankings would have even been higher. He transferred in December so I didn’t include him.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:27 pm to UpToPar
The ranking would've been higher if you've included all the guys we lost after we lost them? Our rankings prior to losing all our olineman doesn't matter at all. What we have to put on the field is what matters and they can all be ranked no1 for all I care, they can't block. Do I blame O for not getting rid if Grimes? Hell yes I'll never understand why he didn't. I think he's a huge problem but I don't think we have anything to work with at tackle. At this point I don't see why trying our young guys can be any worse.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:31 pm to Madking
The composite ranking with Teheuma and Allen is the average ranking of Teheuma, Allen, Brumfield, Clapp, and Weathersby (where we rank 1st)
The ranking without Teheuma and Allen is the average ranking of our current starting 5 OL (where we rank 6th).
So, neither ranking includes Okeke.
The ranking without Teheuma and Allen is the average ranking of our current starting 5 OL (where we rank 6th).
So, neither ranking includes Okeke.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:34 pm to UpToPar
I get that I'm asking if you used an average of all the guys currently on the roster to get the number you got. Using Teauma Allen's and anyone els who lefts ranking is pointless.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:37 pm to Madking
No, the composite numbers are the average rankings of the projected starting 5 had Teheuma and Allen not left and the average rankings of the current starting 5.
Here’s what it looks like:
Clapp, Brumsfield, weathersby, Teheuma, Allen = average composite rank of 0.94.....
Clapp, Brumsfield, Malone, Ingram, Weathersby = average composite rank of 0.91....
Here’s what it looks like:
Clapp, Brumsfield, weathersby, Teheuma, Allen = average composite rank of 0.94.....
Clapp, Brumsfield, Malone, Ingram, Weathersby = average composite rank of 0.91....
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:40 pm to UpToPar
So with the guys currently starting we rank 6th? What's bad is the young guards haven't been terrible it's our veterans Weatherby and Malone that are the worst 2 guys and are even more exposed in pass pro. Weathersby is a guard and that's where he belongs and at this point I don't see how trying our young guys at tackle can be any worse than what we have now.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:42 pm to Madking
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So with the guys currently starting we rank 6th?
Yes, that’s including Ingram at RG. Idk if that would change with Charles or Magee at RG.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:42 pm to UpToPar
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No, the composite numbers are the average rankings of the projected starting 5 had Teheuma and Allen not left and the average rankings of the current starting 5.
I appreciate your effort here, but Allen wasn't starting this year.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:45 pm to whitefoot
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appreciate your effort here, but Allen wasn't starting this year.
Maybe not, but I don’t think that would really change much. The big hit to our composite average is Teheuma.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:46 pm to UpToPar
Those losses killed us. You get Dodd back then Clapp and Brumfield can play the guard spots or you can at least experiment with more people at tackle.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:48 pm to UpToPar
Yep he was our most talented player along with Okeke.
This should be our 5
LT- Okeke
LG- Weathersby
C- Klapp
RG- Teauma/Brumfield
RT- Malone/Teauma
This should be our 5
LT- Okeke
LG- Weathersby
C- Klapp
RG- Teauma/Brumfield
RT- Malone/Teauma
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:48 pm to UpToPar
The main hole in your argument is Bamas oline production is typically superior to everyone else. The reason is that Saban recruits based on actual coaching evaluation and not composite recruiting bullshite. Now, does he have a fair share of 4-5 stars guys? Sure. But, it's the under the radar gems that he uses to complete the unit.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:49 pm to CharlesLSU
Absolutely recruiting rankings are maybe 60% reliable and are completely based on athleticism.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:49 pm to Madking
The point of this thread is that even after the losses, from a talent standpoint we are still top half in the SEC.
I’ve seen it posted several times over the last 2 weeks that Orgeron was dealt a difficult hand with our OL. That’s simply not true. When he took over as head coach he had arguably the most talented OL in the conference.
I’ve seen it posted several times over the last 2 weeks that Orgeron was dealt a difficult hand with our OL. That’s simply not true. When he took over as head coach he had arguably the most talented OL in the conference.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:52 pm to UpToPar
Well I wouldn't say that. He has been delt a mess when you consider he's lost 2/4 starting olineman and 2 of the players can play tackle one being our only natural left tackle which is our most thin and weakest position. So yes there are a couple talented guys but no proven high level football players.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:53 pm to CharlesLSU
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The main hole in your argument is Bamas oline production is typically superior to everyone else. The reason is that Saban recruits based on actual coaching evaluation and not composite recruiting bullshite. Now, does he have a fair share of 4-5 stars guys? Sure. But, it's the under the radar gems that he uses to complete the unit.
Recruiting rankings are never the end all be all, but they are the best somewhat objective evidence we have of talent.
I think we have enough evidence here to conclude that recruiting has not been the problem. There’s plenty of talent there. It’s the development and coaching.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:58 pm to UpToPar
When you don't recruit certain positions it is a problem. And when you lose as many guys as we have it's a major problem. I think you're missing what people are saying. We have some talent at guard but none at tackle. We have a guard and what should be a backup starting at our two tackle positions. What does it matter that we have depth at guard when he have 2 major holes at the tackle spot? You just can't ignore that problem by saying we have some talent overall.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 9/27/17 at 12:12 am to UpToPar
I'm guessing Clapp was a top five center?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 12:16 am to UpToPar
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Recruiting rankings are never the end all be all, but they are the best somewhat objective evidence we have of talent.
The same rankings that depend on the offer list of a recruit?
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