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Lets take a closer look at the facts on our OL recruiting the last 4-5 years
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:25 pm
Admittedly, I had no idea what this would lead to, but I wanted to see if there was anything to these claims that our OL recruiting had been subpar or that our current OL is not as talented as we expected.
So, here's what I did. I looked at the 2017 depth chart for every SEC team, and looked at the 247 composite rankings for each starter listed and averaged them for each team. I wanted to see how LSU stacked up assuming Teuhema and Willie Allen had stayed and how we stack up currently. Here's what I found:
* I should have specified, the composite rankings are for each teams current starting 5 OL.
LSU
With Teuhema and Allen:
Average Composite Ranking: .94284
SEC Rank: 1
Without Teuhema and Allen:
Average Composite Ranking: 0.91882
SEC Rank: 6
Auburn
Average Composite Ranking: 0.94214
SEC Rank: 2
Ole Miss
Average Composite Ranking: 0.93302
SEC Rank: 3
Alabama
Average Composite Ranking: 0.9314
SEC Rank: 4
Georgia
Average Composite Ranking: 0.92286
SEC Rank: 5
Tennessee
Average Composite Ranking: 0.91952
SEC Rank: 6
Arkansas
Average Composite Ranking: 0.911625
SEC Rank: 7
South Carolina
Average Composite Ranking: 0.88122
SEC Rank: 8
Florida
Average Composite Ranking: 0.87256
SEC Rank: 9
Texas A&M
Average Composite Ranking: 0.86918
SEC Rank: 10
Kentucky
Average Composite Rank: 0.85874
SEC Rank: 11
Mississippi State
Average Composite Rank: 0.85452
SEC Rank: 12
Missouri
Average Composite Rank: 0.85076
SEC Rank: 13
Vanderbilt
Average Composite Rank: 0.84336
SEC Rank: 14
What does this tell us?
First, it tells us that any notion that our OL recruiting has fallen off in the past couple of years is a completely fabricated lie. Had we not had the attrition that we had going into this season we would have the top ranked OL in the SEC based on 247 composite ratings.
Second, even taking into account attrition, we are still top half in the SEC in terms of talent on the OL.
If we want to blame our OL woes on development, then fine, but the idea that Orgeron was "dealt a bad hand" when it comes to our OL talent is nothing but an excuse. I think we can safely put to bed the idea that we have not recruited well at OL.
So, here's what I did. I looked at the 2017 depth chart for every SEC team, and looked at the 247 composite rankings for each starter listed and averaged them for each team. I wanted to see how LSU stacked up assuming Teuhema and Willie Allen had stayed and how we stack up currently. Here's what I found:
* I should have specified, the composite rankings are for each teams current starting 5 OL.
LSU
With Teuhema and Allen:
Average Composite Ranking: .94284
SEC Rank: 1
Without Teuhema and Allen:
Average Composite Ranking: 0.91882
SEC Rank: 6
Auburn
Average Composite Ranking: 0.94214
SEC Rank: 2
Ole Miss
Average Composite Ranking: 0.93302
SEC Rank: 3
Alabama
Average Composite Ranking: 0.9314
SEC Rank: 4
Georgia
Average Composite Ranking: 0.92286
SEC Rank: 5
Tennessee
Average Composite Ranking: 0.91952
SEC Rank: 6
Arkansas
Average Composite Ranking: 0.911625
SEC Rank: 7
South Carolina
Average Composite Ranking: 0.88122
SEC Rank: 8
Florida
Average Composite Ranking: 0.87256
SEC Rank: 9
Texas A&M
Average Composite Ranking: 0.86918
SEC Rank: 10
Kentucky
Average Composite Rank: 0.85874
SEC Rank: 11
Mississippi State
Average Composite Rank: 0.85452
SEC Rank: 12
Missouri
Average Composite Rank: 0.85076
SEC Rank: 13
Vanderbilt
Average Composite Rank: 0.84336
SEC Rank: 14
What does this tell us?
First, it tells us that any notion that our OL recruiting has fallen off in the past couple of years is a completely fabricated lie. Had we not had the attrition that we had going into this season we would have the top ranked OL in the SEC based on 247 composite ratings.
Second, even taking into account attrition, we are still top half in the SEC in terms of talent on the OL.
If we want to blame our OL woes on development, then fine, but the idea that Orgeron was "dealt a bad hand" when it comes to our OL talent is nothing but an excuse. I think we can safely put to bed the idea that we have not recruited well at OL.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 10:37 pm
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:27 pm to UpToPar
Give it a break dude, we've seen all the facts. We just suck and it's not going to change until Alleva is gone.
ETA: even with all that talent when they were here, Bama blew us off the line - it's coaching. Always has been.
ETA: even with all that talent when they were here, Bama blew us off the line - it's coaching. Always has been.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:33 pm to UpToPar
Coaching on the line to me is what is main problem for LSU
O screwed himself not hirin a competent Offensive line coach
O screwed himself not hirin a competent Offensive line coach
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:34 pm to TchPowDog
How many are tackles? Also because they are ranked high doesn't mean they are not overrated. Which ones out of those recruits are in the NFL? Not sure about it just asking!!!
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:34 pm to TchPowDog
quote:
even with all that talent when they were here, Bama blew us off the line - it's coaching. Always has been.
Well if it’s coaching, we must have had a significant drop off in coaching recently, because our OL looks as bad as it’s been in a long time.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:35 pm to DONHOGG
quote:
How many are tackles? Also because they are ranked high doesn't mean they are not overrated. Which ones out of those recruits are in the NFL? Not sure about it just asking!!!
I believe Allen and Westhersby we’re both recruited as tackles. I should have made this more clear, but those composite rankings are the average of each teams current starting 5 on the OL, so none of them are in the NFL.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:40 pm to UpToPar
As a side note, LSU had the 3rd lightest offensive line by weight in SEC in 2016
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:40 pm to UpToPar
Good reararch. I agree much of it is coaching. One flaw though that I see though. You can't look solely at overall ranking numbers for oline as a whole. You have to break it down by oline position too. We are struggling at the tackle position. We try to convert guards to play tackle. We're not recruiting and/or keeping and/or developing any tackles. We also haven't recruited a true center in quite some time either. Always converting.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:41 pm to UpToPar
Look. For whatever reason Coach O decided to keep Grimes. Grimes IS most of the problem. That and the crazy idea of "group" special teams coaches. Hell, nobody has taught Chark that you can run up and CATCH the football. He let THREE roll to the goal line. These two area's must be changed before next year or SOS.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:42 pm to UpToPar
Interesting research. Are you saying these numbers only reflect five players from each team?
I don't think Willie Allen was close to starting, which is part of the reason he left, so I don't think including him as a starter is technically correct.
Good research nonetheless
I don't think Willie Allen was close to starting, which is part of the reason he left, so I don't think including him as a starter is technically correct.
Good research nonetheless
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:45 pm to Rjlebla
I think Grimes is horrible and not sure O was the man for the job. But I think they have missed on offensive and defensive line recruiting. Several of those guys just really weren't that good and we also signed a few questionable character guys.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:47 pm to UpToPar
Grimes needs to go and Orgeron didn't recruit his current roster well enough. It's that simple. The OL development has been horrendous under Grimes. There's no excuse for guys like Clapp, Brumfield, Malone, and Weathersby performing poorly.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:51 pm to Rjlebla
quote:
You have to break it down by oline position too. We are struggling at the tackle position. We try to convert guards to play tackle.
Weathersby was recruited as a tackle. KJ was recruited as a center and has been converted to tackle. Allen, had he stayed, was recruited as a tackle. Savage and Deculus were also both recruited as tackles. So, right now we have 1 player playing out of position. I’d bet that’s pretty typical for most college teams.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:59 pm to UpToPar
Take a bow my friend. I was planning on doing this tomorrow at work...you nailed it.
I guess the argument now is they are only guards.
I guess the argument now is they are only guards.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:01 pm to SportTiger1
quote:
guess the argument now is they are only guards.
Which is also incorrect. Malone is currently the only converted tackle. All other tackles on the 2-deep were recruited as tackles.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:02 pm to UpToPar
When you say facts then fail to list even half of the players we lost it doesn't really add up.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:04 pm to UpToPar
Weathersby by also started as a guard and before the exodus the only true left tackle on the roster was Okeke and he's gone too.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:05 pm to SportTiger1
quote:
I guess the argument now is they are only guards
Guards who decide to pull themselves at the 1 yd line and give up a safety...lol
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:10 pm to Madking
I watched Malone in highschool and he really didn't dominate 1a football. It has been talked for the last few years and even mentioned on TV that LSU was trying to turn guards into tackles.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 11:12 pm to Madking
quote:
Weathersby by also started as a guard and before the exodus the only true left tackle on the roster was Okeke and he's gone too.
Toby Weatherby 247 profile: #6 rated OT
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 11:13 pm
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