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re: Let Harris make mistakes and learn from them
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:28 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:28 pm to siliconvalleytiger
I disagree with you. Developing a new QB is both physical and mental. It is important to slowly build his confidence and his playbook. Remember the Jamie Howard situation back in the 90's. That Auburn game ruined that guy as a QB. from that game forward, he had no confidence and it showed on the field.
Harris got his doors blown off last year against Auburn. LSU cannot afford for him to take another beat down like that.
Harris got his doors blown off last year against Auburn. LSU cannot afford for him to take another beat down like that.
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Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:28 pm to biglego
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Why would Harris have thrown a losing pick 6?
Because he COULD have... or a fumble... or just a bunch of incompletions that would have left more time on the clock than if LSU did what they actually did last night. Could have been many things happened that were worse than what DID happen if they opened the playbook. You, or anyone else, just doesn't know what would have happened. Quite possible the results could have been worse.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:30 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Last weeks game was about getting Harris reps and letting him mistakes, last nights game was about getting the W. We did that, barely.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:31 pm to siliconvalleytiger
I truly believe that once he gets a few starts under his belt, the game will slow down for him.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:31 pm to LSUwag
I know what you're saying but he was pulled yesterday with the game still not put away. This will hurt his confidence. Especially because he was playing well.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:31 pm to Geaux Tahel
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Because he COULD have.
Sure he could have failed at passing. But to that point he did very well and built a lead. Handcuffing him very nearly led to a loss. The end of the game came down to a FG attempt, not a victory formation. LSU did not control the end.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:32 pm to siliconvalleytiger
I'd rather not do what you're saying and win.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:35 pm to biglego
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Handcuffing him very nearly led to a loss
But it didn't. Thats the point. Doing something different than what they actually did COULD have resulted in a loss. But what the actually did resulted in a WIN.
I don't know about anyone else, but I would rather have the WIN, than change game plan and MAYBE have the win.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:36 pm to Geaux Tahel
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Because he COULD have... or a fumble... or just a bunch of incompletions that would have left more time on the clock than if LSU did what they actually did last night. Could have been many things happened that were worse than what DID happen if they opened the playbook. You, or anyone else, just doesn't know what would have happened. Quite possible the results could have been worse.
The point is that offensive mistakes are less meaningful to the outcome of a game when they are made by a team that has scored more points.
You keep bringing up this pick 6 argument, which presupposes that LSU is tied with or barely leading MSU. Aside from the fact that pick 6s happen almost never, if LSU is moving the ball and scoring more, they could very well be up by 3, maybe 4 TDs instead. That diminishes the downside.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:39 pm to Geaux Tahel
quote:can't argue that.
But what the actually did resulted in a WIN.
however, i'm more inclined to say that what they did in the first 40 minutes of the game led to the win, while what they did in the final 20 nearly led to a loss.
but, it's semantics I suppose, and it's sunday.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:40 pm to Geaux Tahel
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Handcuffing him very nearly led to a loss
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But it didn't. Thats the point. Doing something different than what they actually did COULD have resulted in a loss. But what the actually did resulted in a WIN.
It nearly did. If Mississippi State gets one more first down, they probably win. Our margin for error was razor thin, and it shouldn't have been. Just because an outcome is favorable doesn't mean the decision is the right one to make.
In general though, it's very concerning about the approach they are going to take in the future. I am absolutely expecting them to do the same thing against Alabama or A&M and have us lose to a potentially inferior team because of the fear of our QB losing the game for us.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:45 pm to Lou Pai
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You keep bringing up this pick 6 argument, which presupposes that LSU is tied with or barely leading MSU. Aside from the fact that pick 6s happen almost never, if LSU is moving the ball and scoring more, they could very well be up by 3, maybe 4 TDs instead. That diminishes the downside.
Pick6 is just ONE example but there are many. I was trying to conserve everyones time by not listing EVERY possible negative thing that COULD have happened.
The entire point is, we got the win, whereas if we did something different we MIGHT NOT HAVE for whatever reason... make up your own. This is a fact. You and I are not Nostradamus, we don't know what would have happened had they done something different.
If you do know for a fact what the results would have been, can you please tell me the lottery numbers coming up?
Bottom line, we got the win... could you guarantee we would have got the win if we did something different? You don't have to answer... I already know.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:49 pm to LSUFootballLover
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This is why letting him take his lumps last year would have been huge.
Sorry, I guess letting him START on the ROAD against SEC competition as a TRUE FRESHMAN doesn't count as letting him take lumps? I mean he literally took lumps, as he got a bit nicked up in that game.
True fresh QBs starting games is very rare, especially when they are learning how to run an offense where the reads aren't pre-determined.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:52 pm to Geaux Tahel
Yes in hindsight it worked out. I'm glad. And if you can guarantee a win every time LSU shuts down the offense then great. But last night there was no guarantee of a win. There was a gassed defense, a delay of game, and a missed FG. LSU had to hope State made a mistake rather than control the outcome.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:02 pm to biglego
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Yes in hindsight it worked out. I'm glad. And if you can guarantee a win every time LSU shuts down the offense then great. But last night there was no guarantee of a win. There was a gassed defense, a delay of game, and a missed FG. LSU had to hope State made a mistake rather than control the outcome.
Agreed. He can't guarantee a win using that approach any more than I can. There's no way to back this up empirically, but I believe it stands to reason that you need to do things differently than we did them to truly put a team away.
If you were to ask me at halftime what I would do if I were Miles, I would say we need to be run-first, absolutely. But I would never agree with throwing the ball 6 times in the second half.
This post was edited on 9/13/15 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:03 pm to biglego
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Yes in hindsight it worked out.... But last night there was no guarantee of a win.
Exactly! And there was no guarantee of a win by doing something different.
So we are all in agreement. Life is great!
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:08 pm to Geaux Tahel
Nothing is a 100% guarantee when making decisions. The gameplan for the second half was a decision. In it, there's some kind of probability that LSU will win the game. People are arguing that Les Miles proactively lowered LSU's probability of winning last night. But now the concern is over how he'll be in the future.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:08 pm to Geaux Tahel
quote:Or (novel idea) since we are speaking in the "could have" hypothetical, if Brandon had not been handcuffed by the end of 2nd qtr, he could have thrown a couple more confidence building scoring passes and opened up the run game even more for Fournette & Co. And LSU could have won last night with authority and points to spare, instead of merely surviving a pair of last second missed FG attempts.
Doing something different than what they actually did COULD have resulted in a loss.
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