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re: Les Miles's Record With a Returning QB
Posted on 3/8/15 at 11:50 am to blackmamba
Posted on 3/8/15 at 11:50 am to blackmamba
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 11:51 am to chilge1
And those records are absolutely irrelevant to the QB position in 2015.
3 of those years we had "QB's" returning
1 we had JJ
1 we had JJ replacing the pocket QB that had the team 8-0
3 of those years we had "QB's" returning
1 we had JJ
1 we had JJ replacing the pocket QB that had the team 8-0
Posted on 3/8/15 at 11:53 am to 15forHeisman
If we had a better defense, we would have allowed fewer point and won the game. That was hard....
Good defenses don't give up 500 yards of offense. Sorry. Glad the admins have more sense than you.
Good defenses don't give up 500 yards of offense. Sorry. Glad the admins have more sense than you.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 11:58 am to chilge1
But how many of those QBs were the ABSOLUTE WORST QB in NCAA football the previous year? If we stick with Jennings I'll be a nervous wreck the whole season. Great kid, but unless he does a 180 then we better get Harris ready if we wanna win any REAL games.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:05 pm to ShortyRob
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Um, we're talking about the QB situation and as you point out, the team JJ was working with didn't support him NEARLY as much
And despite atrocious QB play in 2010, a better overall team resulted in an 11-2 record..
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So, JJ was DRAMATICALLY better than AJ in his first 15 starts despite AJ having a "good" QB coach. Ok. That sort of makes my point don't ya think?
Not really. The effects of a good QB Coach are cumulative. Jefferson started as a better QB than Jennings. Doesn't mean he'll end that way in his last two years of eligibility.
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JL proved that despite the INTs, he was actually capable of moving the LSU offense with his arm.
He was also prone to ending drives prematurely and putting the defense on a short field.... or surrendering points altogether.
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This is how bad AJ is. AJ is so fricking bad, that we actually look back at a QB situation that the fans recognized as a complete train wreck with fricking fondness!
A QB does more than pass the ball. Experience and familiarity is way more important than raw talent. You combine raw talent with a loaded roster and you'll do alright. You combine experience and familiarity with a loaded roster and you'll dominate.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:09 pm to chilge1
Go frick yourself you keep impelling that Jennings is much more experienced and prepares harder than Harris and that is something none of us know for a fact.... It is complete speculation
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:10 pm to chilge1
quote:Actually, there are very few "good" defenses that went entire seasons without at least one tough outing.
Good defenses don't give up 500 yards of offense. Sorry. Glad the admins have more sense than you.
For example, In 2011, LSU's defense gave up more than 500 yards to WV. That defense was 2nd in the nation in PPG and 2nd in yards per game.
The number one team in total defense this year gave up 459 to UGA.
It happens. Your assertion is false.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:10 pm to chilge1
You want to see domination watch Harris at the end of the MSU game and the nmst game
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:14 pm to ShortyRob
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Actually, there are very few "good" defenses that went entire seasons without at least one tough outing.
While you're not wrong, I hope you're not asserting that the defense held their own in our two losses in 2010.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:15 pm to chilge1
quote:We're talking about how good the QB is.
And despite atrocious QB play in 2010, a better overall team resulted in an 11-2 record..
quote:Oh for frick's sake. If they're cumulative, they still have SOME effect in year 1 for fricking chrissake. Now you're just being obtuse.
Not really. The effects of a good QB Coach are cumulative. Jefferson started as a better QB than Jennings. Doesn't mean he'll end that way in his last two years of eligibility.
quote:Yep. But, he actually had passing abilities and showed them. AJ has never done this. I mean, if we NEVER threw the ball, AJ wouldn't have thrown any INTs but that wouldn't suddenly mean he was "better". AJ was so bad, the coaches didn't trust him as much as they trusted JL. Think about f'n that!!!
He was also prone to ending drives prematurely and putting the defense on a short field.... or surrendering points altogether.
quote:Dude. Just stop it with this shite. It's like saying, "well, other than the fact that his location blows, he has no breaking ball and his fast ball is 70mph, we kinda like this pitcher cause, well, he's been around and knows the pitch calls.
A QB does more than pass the ball. Experience and familiarity is way more important than raw talent
You actually have to have an ability to play the position for frick's sake!
quote:IF you can actually play the position. It's actually unfair to the term Quarterback that we even call AJ one.
You combine experience and familiarity with a loaded roster and you'll dominate.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:19 pm to chilge1
quote:I'm asserting that in football, if one side of the ball is incompetent and relying upon the other side of the ball to carry the weight then EVENTUALLY, that shite is gonna fail you. If your defense can't stop anyone but you're putting up 45 a game and winning, it's not a good omen AND, if your offense is inept even against shitty teams but your defense has been saving your arse, then, at some point, that shite's gonna get ya.
While you're not wrong, I hope you're not asserting that the defense held their own in our two losses in 2010.
Ya know, the other guys field scholly players too and have coaches that know football. You can't rely on stoning everyone or on scoring 45 on everyone.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:20 pm to 15forHeisman
Jennings has been in the program since January 2013 and started 13 games. Harris has been in the program since January 2014 and has started 1 game. So yes, he is more experienced.
Both Harris himself and the coaches have come out publicly and indicated that Harris was not properly devoting himself last year. No such comments have been made about Jennings. What does that suggest to you?
Both Harris himself and the coaches have come out publicly and indicated that Harris was not properly devoting himself last year. No such comments have been made about Jennings. What does that suggest to you?
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:26 pm to chilge1
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Both Harris himself and the coaches have come out publicly and indicated that Harris was not properly devoting himself last year. No such comments have been made about Jennings. What does that suggest to you?
A few things actually.
1)We could well be totally fricked at QB. Already, you have to be concerned that even with a lack of experience, BH couldn't manage to give coaches a reason to give him a try over the worst long term LSU starter in my adult lifetime.
2)If BH legit has been a problem developing, not recruiting a real QB this year was a HUGE omission. LSU basically has to pray that AJ has one of the greatest improvement curves in the history of college football or that BH gets his shite together.
3)And, finally, the fact that in the last 4 years, our coaches failed so hard a recruiting that AJ was even on the field is nothing short of incompetence.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:30 pm to ShortyRob
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We're talking about how good the QB is.
No, we're not. The OP contained a team statistic, not an individual one.
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If they're cumulative, they still have SOME effect in year 1
And you're dishonest if you're in the company that claims there was nothing different between Iowa and Notre Dame.
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But, he actually had passing abilities and showed them.
Yes, he did. But again, we're making different arguments. Lee helped the team by moving the ball, but constantly made errant decisions that resulted in points or terrible field position. Jennings was the exact opposite.
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well, other than the fact that his location blows, he has no breaking ball and his fast ball is 70mph, we kinda like this pitcher cause, well, he's been around and knows the pitch calls.
I have no patience for baseball, so I'm not really qualified to make an argument to this.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:31 pm to chilge1
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Both Harris himself and the coaches have come out publicly and indicated that Harris was not properly devoting himself last year. No such comments have been made about Jennings. What does that suggest to you?
It suggests that we missed on two more QB's and he problem will not be fixed soon.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:35 pm to ShortyRob
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We could well be totally fricked at QB.
Agree
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If BH legit has been a problem developing, not recruiting a real QB this year was a HUGE omission.
Only if you expect that a ho-hum as a sophomore would be better than Franks as a freshman.
quote:Don't see how you blame the coaches for Mama Kiel wanting her baby to stay home.
And, finally, the fact that in the last 4 years, our coaches failed so hard a recruiting
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I've gone back to this a bunch.
It suggests that we missed on two more QB's and he problem will not be fixed soon.
I mean, basically, we recruited three 4 star QBs and one 3 star in the last 4 years and the BEST one was AJ? I mean, holy frick, that's some kinda special olympics bad at recruiting.
It's actually, almost statistically impossible to recruit 3 four star guys in that period of time and have the best one perform as poorly as AJ this past year. It's just appallingly incompetent. And, we didn't fix that in this year's recruiting class.
So, NOW, if it continues as it appears, our next REAL hope is guy who will show up in the fall of 2016. AND, even if that guy is as good as advertised, we really need to recruit 2 more!!!
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It suggests that we missed on two more QB's and he problem will not be fixed soon.
Harris is a rising sophomore and Jennings is a rising junior. This time of year, everything is coachspeak, but Cam seems to believe that Harris is back on track with committing himself.
Either way, giving up on either right now is premature.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:42 pm to ShortyRob
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we really need to recruit 2 more!!
I'm certain we'll either sign Haskins or Kelley... but six scholarship QBs might be a bit much.
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:42 pm to Nix to Twillie
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I've said it before...usually the quarterback has given SOME kind of sign so far. Haven't seen it from AJ. Nothing has shown me he has the potential to get better. Doesn't mean he won't, but I am much more concerned this year than in other years we've been in this situation.
2014 AJ -11tds 7ints
2012 Mett- 12 tds 7 ints
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