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Les Miles his own worst enemy!

Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:08 pm
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:08 pm
At this point baring something no one is predicting "LSU winning out or at least making the SEC Championship" Miles is probably done at LSU. The way our offense played, but more importantly our offensive scheme, it looks like there are at least 2 probably 3 more losses going forward. If that does happen and we have another sub 10win season Miles is done, it is pretty much that straight forward. The big money boosters that wanted him out last year will literally go bat-shite crazy and withhold every dime they have until Miles is gone and since they raised the money last year for the buyout this year it will even be easier with the talent that came back and the pre-season ranking.

If that day comes, and I am expecting it, I personally will be a little depressed because I truly believe Les Miles the man is a great man, but Les Miles the coach has let the game pass him by unfortunately. The sad part is that with all his attributes he is his own worst enemy.

Being loyal is a great attribute, but Les doesn't understand that he needs to be loyal to the right people. Being loyal to Cameron "one of his best friends" and Peveto "a good friend" is being loyal to the wrong individuals. He didn't understand the individuals he needed to be loyal to are "LSU, LSU players, LSU students, LSU alumni and also LSU fans." They are the ones that pay him and help get him paid. By keeping Cameron and Peveto after their performances or lack their of was being loyal to the wrong people and in the end it is what is going to get him fired.

No way we win 10games with that offensive scheme and those special teams performances and look who is heading both units - HIS GOOD FRIENDS! And no way Miles is coaching here in 2017 with a sub 10win year. So Les your loyalty and stubbornness are what is going to end your tenure here at LSU and I for one will be depressed to see you go because of what I think of you personally, but I will separate that feeling with the fact that at this point this is what is best for LSU. That is something you should have done this past January, by separating yourself and LSU from Cameron & Peveto.

Les you are your own worst enemy because you didn't understand who and whom you should have been loyal too. I can promise you that had you let both Peveto "or kept him on as a recruiter but no coaching duties" and Cameron this past January both would have understood and both would have been your friends for life still. But by retaining them for this year LSU, the students and alumni can't understand and that is why you will be gone unless you are damn near perfect here on out.

Sorry Les I really do like you personally, but it is time for you to enjoy a year or two with your family, which thanks to your agent LSU is going to pay you handsomely to do so.

This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 5:15 pm
Posted by Phil2012
The planet
Member since Dec 2005
6213 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:10 pm to
Good post....he is as hard-headed as they come...
Posted by rjokerlsu
Big Spring, TX
Member since Apr 2007
6889 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:16 pm to
Would not be the first time an LSU coach lost his job because of excessive loyalty to his assistant coaches.

Gerry DiNardo was too loyal to Lou Tepper, and maybe other posters can mention other examples.
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20360 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:17 pm to
If Les is truly just being loyal and he knows they are the problem then why not just step in and correct it? I think Les is the problem and this is HIS offense and HIS fricked up special teams. I really don't think it matters who we have as OC and special teams coach as long as Les is in charge.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:25 pm to
quote:

I think Les is the problem and this is HIS offense and HIS fricked up special teams. I really don't think it matters who we have as OC and special teams coach as long as Les is in charge.


good point. Peveto is not really the ST coach (title only). my understanding it's another one of Miles "committee" type things.

and you can bet your sweet arse that Miles makes the decision on who the punter and who the kicker's are. Peveto has zero decision making power.

as far as the OC goes i'm not sure there is a difference in CC's offense and Miles' offense.

also, Miles is an ex OL guy. how in the holy hell can he witness our futility and not relate to it and fix it.

he's special tho. he can witness his players continuously run into the strength of our opponent with little success and just continue to do it over and over and over again insisting it's not the game plan that's faulty.
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:27 pm to
quote:

I really don't think it matters who we have as OC and special teams coach as long as Les is in charge.


I agree if Les does not let them coach the units the way that they want to coach them. But if Les "obviously this is a big if" would have hired two new coaches to coach the offense and special teams and let them coach it the way they want to coach them I personally feel we would see a difference. Special teams literally went to shite when Peveto took over. So you can't use him as an example because Les was the HC before Peveto took over special teams.

Nope I really blame this on Les being super stubborn and loyal to the wrong individuals, instead of LSU he was loyal to his friends.

Posted by Phil2012
The planet
Member since Dec 2005
6213 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:28 pm to
Again, well said!
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:29 pm to
quote:

If Les is truly just being loyal and he knows they are the problem then why not just step in and correct it?


That is what is called as LOYALTY!!! That was my whole point, he was loyal to the wrong people. Instead of being loyal to the individuals that are paying you and getting you paid he was loyal to his friends!!

Posted by Topisawtiger
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
3492 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:33 pm to
Decent post but too many of you want to put the blame on Peveto for ST. It ain't his fault. As much as I like Les it is he who orders the pooch kicks in the corner on kickoffs and it is he who wanted that sidewinding Aussie punter. Peveto is not the culprit in these situations. Give it a break please.
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:35 pm to
quote:

as far as the OC goes i'm not sure there is a difference in CC's offense and Miles' offense.


Couldn't agree with your more but that goes down to a trait of Miles which is the point of this post. STUBBORNNESS!!!! He is to freaking stubborn to change and again that is what is getting him fired.

I know a lot of people don't like Saban but look at what he does, he separates his business and personal life. If something isn't working at Bama he changes it no matter who the coach is or player is friend or not. He is loyal to the people paying him and getting him paid by understanding that when something is broken it needs to be fixed no matter what that entails or who needs to be let go or benched. I truly don't believe Miles has that in him. He sticks with players too long with sup-par performance, you don't need to go further than DJ Welter, and currently Harris, and Cameron and Peveto to see that.
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:40 pm to
quote:

you want to put the blame on Peveto for ST. It ain't his fault.


Ok here is why I disagree. Just like Miles has to take blame for why we have lost 4 of the past 6 games because he is the head coach and responsible for the W's. The person in charge of the units that underperform have to take responsibility for the way their units perform. It is truly as simple as that. Now if you are working at your job and you are failing at your job miserably so badly that it is going to get you fired but the reason you are failing is because you are implementing your bosses STUPID agenda's and not your own. At what point do you try and change your bosses agenda knowing that if things don't change you are going to get fired?

This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 5:42 pm
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26640 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:49 pm to
Curley Hallman was loyal to losing.
Posted by nycajun
Nothin' could be finer.....
Member since Dec 2004
18183 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:52 pm to
Loyalty is great, but even his loyalty to his buddies is being manifested the wrong way. If Miles truly understood what's going on, he'd know that helping those buddies move on gracefully after last year would, in the long run, be much better for them than the unceremonious dismissal that awaits them at the end of this season.
Posted by TheHat7
Member since Oct 2015
7189 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:57 pm to
good op. My thought process is how can we win as many games as possible while enacting change? Sure it's not all on Harris but he's a 3rd year guy who can't make easy throws. He caves under pressure. It's mental not physical.. I believe miles should reopen the qb competition. Give etling a shot. If u start Harris fine. But if he doesn't light it up bring etling in and see what he does. Sure it's scheme and lack of creativity I get it. We can't change that right now. So in the mean time we need a smarter qb.
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 5:58 pm
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 6:05 pm to
quote:

If Miles truly understood what's going on, he'd know that helping those buddies move on gracefully after last year would, in the long run, be much better for them than the unceremonious dismissal that awaits them at the end of this season.


That is where I feel the stubbornness part of Miles persona steps in and prevents him from doing so.
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20360 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 6:08 pm to
My point was the he can still be loyal by not firing them and just stepping in and saying " we are going to do it my way", but the problem is that it is already his way.
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 6:15 pm to
quote:

My point was the he can still be loyal by not firing them and just stepping in and saying " we are going to do it my way", but the problem is that it is already his way.


I agree but that goes to the second part of what I said that Miles is too stubborn for his own good. He is too stubborn to see that change needs to be affected and that his philosophy on how to compete at this level doesn't work anymore.
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 6:28 pm
Posted by Croozin2
Somewhere on the water
Member since Dec 2004
3191 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 6:49 pm to
Ever heard the saying "Let's keep friends, friends and business, business."?
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