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re: Lee is projected to throw 17td's for the season. LSU record?
Posted on 11/14/08 at 8:28 am to lsutiger4life
Posted on 11/14/08 at 8:28 am to lsutiger4life
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DUDE WHITE QB?? you def dont comprehend very well......
hell im from NORTH Baton Rouge, went to a h/s that is 99% black
and was a big time defender of Marcus Randall and loved Herb Tyler
Lee being white aint got nothing to do with it.... I'm defending Lee b/c people have jumped off the deep end and threw kid under the bus!
hell even in the 80's my fav tigers were Eric Martin and Dalton Hillard not Risher, Wickersham, or Hodson.
if you gonna give me a WHITE QB then i want one named MATT.........
If you think everyone is throwing J-Lee under the bus, then fine, I don't blame you for sticking up for him. But from what I've seen, it seems like the majority keep making excusing for Lee and keep saying how great he is and keep get all pissy when people start talking about giving JJ a chance.
I really hope Lee can make it and play as QB for us for the rest of his time here, but I also hope JJ gets a shot to show what he can do instead of riding the bench for the next four years or transferring to another school.
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Posted on 11/14/08 at 8:41 am to lsutiger4life
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and all of those guys are facing the same competition
This is a terrible argument. If you're going to say it's unfair that Lee has to play against better teams, I'm going to say it's unfair that Griffin at Baylor has to play with BAYLOR level talent, while Lee gets a talent laden offense at his disposal.
Posted on 11/14/08 at 8:42 am to AlexLSU
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This is a terrible argument. If you're going to say it's unfair that Lee has to play against better teams, I'm going to say it's unfair that Griffin at Baylor has to play with BAYLOR level talent, while Lee gets a talent laden offense at his disposal.
what did Lee do vs Tulane??
Posted on 11/14/08 at 8:44 am to Fighting Tigers
I think he needs to transfer, Hatch too. With Lee, Sheppard and Garrett, not a whole lot of room at the inn. Or switch to wide receiver, IMO. 
Posted on 11/14/08 at 8:47 am to lsu xman
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what did Lee do vs Tulane??
Jackshit, which further proves how truly bad he is this year. He plays just as bad against Tulane as he does against the #1 team. That's a terrible sign.
Posted on 11/14/08 at 8:49 am to AlexLSU
you taking my reply out of context, it was in response to comparing numbers when the teams played different competition.
and if you want to get picky we can go back and find plenty of good qb's that started hot and plummeted and those that stunk
it up and excelled later.....
and if you want to get picky we can go back and find plenty of good qb's that started hot and plummeted and those that stunk
it up and excelled later.....
Posted on 11/14/08 at 8:54 am to lsutiger4life
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and if you want to get picky we can go back and find plenty of good qb's that started hot and plummeted and those that stunk
it up and excelled later.....
Sure we could look into hypotheticals and the future if we want, or we could just look at the stats in front of us. Yes, Lee plays in the SEC, but you have to realize who he's playing with. He has one of the best Olines in the country, three dynamic RBs, two future NFL WRs, and possibly the SEC's best TE if he's ever fricking utilized. Plus, Gary Crowton.
Not too many players have THAT at their disposal. That's why the fact that he's playing at LSU doesn't matter. Yeah some QBs are playing WAC level competition, but they're also playing with WAC level talent. It evens out.
Posted on 11/14/08 at 8:58 am to AlexLSU
I wonder how bad lee would be if he played for a team like troy? or north texas?
people seem to forget how bad he was in the tulane game with 4 and 5 star receivers to throw to...
so is it the talent or the lack of coaching?
people seem to forget how bad he was in the tulane game with 4 and 5 star receivers to throw to...
so is it the talent or the lack of coaching?
Posted on 11/14/08 at 9:02 am to AlexLSU
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He has one of the best Olines in the country, three dynamic RBs, two future NFL WRs, and possibly the SEC's best TE
I think you make the best point of this entire post. It's time that the OLine and RBs take over and not put the game in Lee's hands. You just shreaded your entire arguement with that sentence. The OLine got demolished against UF, played O.K. against UGa & better against Bama. There is no reason that a freshman QB should throw the ball over 20 times a game in the SEC.
Posted on 11/14/08 at 9:04 am to AlexLSU
and ar these players playing to thier potential?
Byrd and Lafell are awesome talents, but are they playing that way??
the oline has tons of talent, but its not playing to its potential, they arent close to best in nation as far as on the field mistakes.
look i'm not trying to pass the blame and say Lee isnt to blame for his struggles, but theres enough blame to go around.
Lee has def hit a wall, and no where have I stated that its not time to take a look at JJ, I'm saying Lee has a ton of potential, and most of his mistakes are mental. Just dont throw the kid under the bus....
and the R/S thing is a valid reason, but not excuse, for every 20 r/s who do well you can find 20 more who struggle, and vice versa.
and just like you cant compare svores , you cant compare stats... alot of those teams that the fresh play for are not good and those stats are padded late in game swhen team is trailing by 20+
or they are a product of thier system, some of these qb's dont throw the ball further then 12 yards down the field.
Byrd and Lafell are awesome talents, but are they playing that way??
the oline has tons of talent, but its not playing to its potential, they arent close to best in nation as far as on the field mistakes.
look i'm not trying to pass the blame and say Lee isnt to blame for his struggles, but theres enough blame to go around.
Lee has def hit a wall, and no where have I stated that its not time to take a look at JJ, I'm saying Lee has a ton of potential, and most of his mistakes are mental. Just dont throw the kid under the bus....
and the R/S thing is a valid reason, but not excuse, for every 20 r/s who do well you can find 20 more who struggle, and vice versa.
and just like you cant compare svores , you cant compare stats... alot of those teams that the fresh play for are not good and those stats are padded late in game swhen team is trailing by 20+
or they are a product of thier system, some of these qb's dont throw the ball further then 12 yards down the field.
Posted on 11/14/08 at 9:05 am to TheDoc
He's got the talent to throw, but he's definitely one demensional since he looks like he's got concrete blocks on his feet. He has the arm though. Here's what I'll mainly attribute to his lack of success:
1. Youth. He's young and growing pains are part of it.
2. He can't read a defense for shite. He consistently stares WRs down, doesn't recognize double cover, and doesn't know when to just throw it away. He's like Jamarcus his Freshman year, but at least JR looked like he believed in what he was doing. Lee just looks scared as if he's saying "Christ I hope I can complete this one."
3. Coaches put him in bad situations. 3rd and 17 against Bama...at our 13 yard line...with no offensive rhythm...and a QB with little confidence, and you THROW?! Worst call of the year by far. Run the ball, admit you couldn't get a 1st down, and punt. Terrible situation to put him in.
1. Youth. He's young and growing pains are part of it.
2. He can't read a defense for shite. He consistently stares WRs down, doesn't recognize double cover, and doesn't know when to just throw it away. He's like Jamarcus his Freshman year, but at least JR looked like he believed in what he was doing. Lee just looks scared as if he's saying "Christ I hope I can complete this one."
3. Coaches put him in bad situations. 3rd and 17 against Bama...at our 13 yard line...with no offensive rhythm...and a QB with little confidence, and you THROW?! Worst call of the year by far. Run the ball, admit you couldn't get a 1st down, and punt. Terrible situation to put him in.
Posted on 11/14/08 at 9:09 am to AlexLSU
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He's got the talent to throw, but he's definitely one demensional since he looks like he's got concrete blocks on his feet. He has the arm though. Here's what I'll mainly attribute to his lack of success:
1. Youth. He's young and growing pains are part of it.
2. He can't read a defense for shite. He consistently stares WRs down, doesn't recognize double cover, and doesn't know when to just throw it away. He's like Jamarcus his Freshman year, but at least JR looked like he believed in what he was doing. Lee just looks scared as if he's saying "Christ I hope I can complete this one."
3. Coaches put him in bad situations. 3rd and 17 against Bama...at our 13 yard line...with no offensive rhythm...and a QB with little confidence, and you THROW?! Worst call of the year by far. Run the ball, admit you couldn't get a 1st down, and punt. Terrible situation to put him in.
I agree with all of this btw.
especially the coaching decision of throwing that pass on 3rd and 17.
totally setting up a shaky QB for failure.
Posted on 11/14/08 at 9:24 am to DoubleDeuce
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It's time that the OLine and RBs take over and not put the game in Lee's hands
You do realize the offense is one demensional, right? How smart to college coaches have to be to know to stack the box against LSU? Do you SEE how close the safeties for Bama were playing us? Charles Scott will get 1,000 yards rushing this weekend. The running game has been consistently steady, and if the RBs are doing well, you'd have to think the Oline is doing well, right? Lee has time to throw; he just throws poorly.
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The OLine got demolished against UF
Best team in the country.
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played O.K. against UGa
Had 500 yards of offense.
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& better against Bama.
Rushed for 200 yards with a ONE DEMENSIONAL offense against the 7th best D in the country.
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There is no reason that a freshman QB should throw the ball over 20 times a game in the SEC.
You can't just run the ball in the SEC. You really think LSU can beat those teams running the ball 50 times and passing 10?! 
Posted on 11/14/08 at 9:51 am to lsutiger4life
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if you gonna give me a WHITE QB then i want one named MATT.........
well-stated
Posted on 11/14/08 at 10:12 am to AlexLSU
quote:Crowton and Miles have failed their RS Freshman QB this year. Lee has been awful, but the coaches have put him in no win situations.
Coaches put him in bad situations. 3rd and 17 against Bama...at our 13 yard line...with no offensive rhythm...and a QB with little confidence, and you THROW?! Worst call of the year by far. Run the ball, admit you couldn't get a 1st down, and punt. Terrible situation to put him in
As a coach you are supposed to put your players and team in a position to win, not to fail. Les and Crowton have done a horrible job at this in respect to the QB situation this year.
Posted on 11/14/08 at 10:41 am to ATLTiger
Lee was very inexperienced at QB coming out of high school and it shows. However, he has a talented and accurate arm, and he will be a totally differenct QB next year.
The game will slow down for him and his accuracy will become more consistent when he starts to react to the play instinctively.
Time and experience is all that is needed for Lee to show what he can do.
The game will slow down for him and his accuracy will become more consistent when he starts to react to the play instinctively.
Time and experience is all that is needed for Lee to show what he can do.
Posted on 11/14/08 at 6:34 pm to lsu xman
Josh Booty threw 18 in 1999. That was an SEC record. Not sure if he was a freshman in terms of eligibility.
Posted on 11/14/08 at 6:38 pm to BOSCEAUX
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I bet he owns the INT. record at the end of the year.
I bet he doesn't.
Posted on 11/14/08 at 6:39 pm to lsutiger4life
Not sure if its fair to compare anyone to Griffin, this kid is magic. Unreal.
Posted on 11/14/08 at 6:43 pm to Doc Fenton
Just counting regular season conference games, here's how LSU's leading passers have done since 1995:
1995 – Howard, 1006 yards, 4 TD, 5 INT
1996 – Tyler, 1273 yards, 4 TD, 5 INT
1997 – Tyler, 1055 yards, 5 TD, 3 INT
1998 – Tyler, 1455 yards, 13 TD, 4 INT
1999 – Booty, 1531 yards, 7 TD, 17 INT
2000 – Booty, 1499 yards, 13 TD, 9 INT
2001 – Davey, 2463 yards, 14 TD, 10 INT
2002 – Randall, 947 yards, 6 TD, 4 INT
2003 – Mauck, 1631 yards, 15 TD, 10 INT
2004 – Randall, 727 yards, 7 TD, 1 INT
2005 – Russell, 1639 yards, 11 TD, 7 INT
2006 – Russell, 1940 yards, 17 TD, 6 INT
2007 – Flynn, 1521 yards, 14 TD, 7 INT
2008 – Lee, 1309 yards, 10 TD, 12 INT
2008 – Lee, 1745 yards, 13.3 TD, 16 INT (projected)
1995 – Howard, 1006 yards, 4 TD, 5 INT
1996 – Tyler, 1273 yards, 4 TD, 5 INT
1997 – Tyler, 1055 yards, 5 TD, 3 INT
1998 – Tyler, 1455 yards, 13 TD, 4 INT
1999 – Booty, 1531 yards, 7 TD, 17 INT
2000 – Booty, 1499 yards, 13 TD, 9 INT
2001 – Davey, 2463 yards, 14 TD, 10 INT
2002 – Randall, 947 yards, 6 TD, 4 INT
2003 – Mauck, 1631 yards, 15 TD, 10 INT
2004 – Randall, 727 yards, 7 TD, 1 INT
2005 – Russell, 1639 yards, 11 TD, 7 INT
2006 – Russell, 1940 yards, 17 TD, 6 INT
2007 – Flynn, 1521 yards, 14 TD, 7 INT
2008 – Lee, 1309 yards, 10 TD, 12 INT
2008 – Lee, 1745 yards, 13.3 TD, 16 INT (projected)
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