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Posted on 9/22/10 at 9:19 am to LSUrme
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Keiland Williams now #2 RB in DC
So either
1. LSU had so much depth that KW was 3rd string or
2. Miles plays favorites
or
3. Miles can't develop talent
or
4. Miles is a poor judge of talent
I will go ahead and eliminate #1
Posted on 9/22/10 at 9:20 am to DBG
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I, like many LSU fans and analysts, were begging to see more Keiland and thought he could have done just as well, if not better, than Hester and scott
It's not a terrible comparison. Both teams had pretty good players ahead of the backup. we won a n.c. with hester, charles scott was a heisman candidate in mid 2008 with 1,800 yards in his jr. year. how much "better" could someone else do? do you bench one of those guys because someone else could "have done just as well"? how fair is it to hester or scott?
if you don't like that comparison, the applewhite/sims, henson/brady, t. davis at u.g.a, coffee/ingram, shaun alexander (3rd team back rushed for over 200 at lsu) williams/brown/jacobs at au, portis, gore, mcghee miami, henry/lewis tenn. all these back ups could have done "just as well, if not better". did they all get hosed? of course not, because YOU weren't interested in them.
This post was edited on 9/22/10 at 9:26 am
Posted on 9/22/10 at 9:39 am to Dead Fish
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Not really. It was based on a single showing in the spring game where the speed and intensity of the game isn't anything near to what an actual SEC game is like and where there are no blitzing and where the defenses are about as vanilla as it gets.
It also led to all the lobbying for JL to be the starter over JJ and to the false impression that JJ just isn't worth a shite
so performing well against a vanilla defense with low levels of speed and intensity tells us nothing about Ford...but performing shitty against the same doesn't tell us anything about JJ either??
Posted on 9/22/10 at 9:40 am to BGSB
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I heard Tom Brady didnt start much in college,
this is 100% wrong
Posted on 9/22/10 at 9:41 am to The Godfather
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He was the starter at Michigan
yes
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he just wasn't that good
he was all big10 at least once. i think twice
Posted on 9/22/10 at 9:46 am to dos crystal
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It's not a terrible comparison
Yes it is
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Both teams had pretty good players ahead of the backup. we won a n.c. with hester, charles scott was a heisman candidate in mid 2008 with 1,800 yards in his jr. year.
We could have won in 2007 with Scott or Keiland being the #1 RB...and you probably wanna check on scott's 2008 numbers, you're pretty much way, way off
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if you don't like that comparison, the applewhite/sims, henson/brady, t. davis at u.g.a, coffee/ingram, shaun alexander (3rd team back rushed for over 200 at lsu) williams/brown/jacobs at au, portis, gore, mcghee miami, henry/lewis tenn. all these back ups could have done "just as well, if not better". did they all get hosed?
I don't know any of those situations well enough to determine whether they all got hosed also
Posted on 9/22/10 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
tom brady shared time with henson. he was the back up in their cap one bowl. he had to come in and save the day.
henson was the more highly recruited player. therefore, the fan base wanted to see him play. (hester, scott, k.w., ford, blue ring a bell). therefore, henson eventually got the starting position. however, because of performance, brady got a lot of playing time to come in and win the game.
much like applewhite and simms. simms started, applewhite came in and won the games. simms was the highly recruited player the fans wanted to see. (much like k.w. and ford).
For the record. applewhite was the better college qb but simms made an n.f.l. team, even started! wow, that simms got hosed! (sarcasm). (kind of like the scott/williams comparison).
henson was the more highly recruited player. therefore, the fan base wanted to see him play. (hester, scott, k.w., ford, blue ring a bell). therefore, henson eventually got the starting position. however, because of performance, brady got a lot of playing time to come in and win the game.
much like applewhite and simms. simms started, applewhite came in and won the games. simms was the highly recruited player the fans wanted to see. (much like k.w. and ford).
For the record. applewhite was the better college qb but simms made an n.f.l. team, even started! wow, that simms got hosed! (sarcasm). (kind of like the scott/williams comparison).
Posted on 9/22/10 at 9:52 am to lsuman242
quote:Miles is the head coach, he can make the call. To continue to give him a pass on decision making when it's "his team" is both short sighted and ridiculous.
sure blame it all on Miles.. When he and Porter had more problems than you can count..
Posted on 9/22/10 at 9:54 am to BoulderTiger
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Terrell Davis, Mike Bell, Tatum Bell...
Tatum and Portis were the two highest draft picks of the that eara. Mike Anderson and Orlandus Gary are other good examples.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 9:56 am to DBG
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We could have won in 2007 with Scott or Keiland being the #1 RB...and you probably wanna check on scott's 2008 numbers, you're pretty much way, way off
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if you don't like that comparison, the applewhite/sims, henson/brady, t. davis at u.g.a, coffee/ingram, shaun alexander (3rd team back rushed for over 200 at lsu) williams/brown/jacobs at au, portis, gore, mcghee miami, henry/lewis tenn. all these back ups could have done "just as well, if not better". did they all get hosed?
I don't know any of those situations well enough to determine whether they all got hosed also
ok, my bad. not 1,800 yards. Finished with 1,174 rushing yards, which ranked No. 5 in school history ... Led the SEC with 18 rushing TDs, which tied for seventh nationally ... so k.w. would have done better than this?
7th nationally, 5th in school history! if only we started k.w. we would have been first
bench charles scott, he sucked! 
bench hester and scott, the deserved to be hosed because you like k.w.!
if you don't know other situations, then how can you say it's not terrible comparison?
This post was edited on 9/22/10 at 10:08 am
Posted on 9/22/10 at 10:00 am to Tiger_n_ATL
One thing I would like you guys to remember is that the Washington Redskins coach has a history of taking under used college running backs and making them really good pro backs. He did it in Denver all the time. Maybe he is really good at getting the most out of his backs or maybe his o-line blocking scemes are very good. I think he would rather his backs to have less wear and tear on them from college.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 10:01 am to Tiger_n_ATL
One thing I would like you guys to remember is that the Washington Redskins coach has a history of taking under used college running backs and making them really good pro backs. He did it in Denver all the time. Maybe he is really good at getting the most out of his backs or maybe his o-line blocking scemes are very good. I think he would rather his backs to have less wear and tear on them from college.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 10:07 am to dos crystal
Why doesn't anyone ever bring up the fact that Keiland was the main back for the last 4-5 games of 06 and ran for over 100 in the Sugar Bowl with Hester as a FB. What the hell did he do to lose his spot?
This is the problem I have. If the Hester/Scott people say they performed well enough to leave Keiland on the bench, I say Keiland beat them all out in 2006 and there was no "performance based" reason that he should have lost his job. When you have a player with a higher ceiling (this is not debatable) then how does he lose his job? I am still confused by this...
This is the problem I have. If the Hester/Scott people say they performed well enough to leave Keiland on the bench, I say Keiland beat them all out in 2006 and there was no "performance based" reason that he should have lost his job. When you have a player with a higher ceiling (this is not debatable) then how does he lose his job? I am still confused by this...
Posted on 9/22/10 at 10:09 am to dos crystal
Yes, Keiland would have had similar, probably better, numbers than Scott in 2008
And you're the only one talking about benching anyone, not me, hester and Scott should have gotten touches also, just not as many as keiland...RB's are allowed to share carries, that's why you comparing it to QB controversies is retarded
The only one I commented on was cassel/leinart, and I'm aware of that situation because leinart was the best damn QB in cfb during his time, so obviously his backup would never play
And you're the only one talking about benching anyone, not me, hester and Scott should have gotten touches also, just not as many as keiland...RB's are allowed to share carries, that's why you comparing it to QB controversies is retarded
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if you don't know other situations, then how can you say it's not a fair comparison?
The only one I commented on was cassel/leinart, and I'm aware of that situation because leinart was the best damn QB in cfb during his time, so obviously his backup would never play
Posted on 9/22/10 at 10:10 am to DBG
Everyone makes it sound like Keiland did nothing at LSU which isn't true. Sure coming out of high school he was suppose to be amazing and he didn't have a hall of fame career but he still played a role. the NC year in 2007 he had several huge games, VT and Auburn. His junior year he was behind Scott who had an amazing year. His senior year the running game sucked and he got hurt.
If Les Miles is supposedly a dumb arse and has no evolution of talent then why did Keiland go undrafted? Obviously he showed nothing in work outs and the combine to show scouts he should be drafted and that Miles was holding out. Shannahan is known for taking no name backs and turning them into 1,000 yard rushers. Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Mike Bell, and Tatum Bell. Even Terrell Davis didn't have that successfull of a college career but look what he did in the pros. Shannahan is a great running game coach. Just because Keiland has made a team and is moving up the depth chart does NOT mean Les Miles is to fault. If you think that you are stupid.
Nick Saban had Joe Addai backing up Justin Vincent and often times Alley Broussard our championship year. Look what Joe Addai is doing in the pros, and does any know what JV and Alley Cat are doing? That must mean Nick Saban is a dumb arse and lacks all evaluation of talent according many of yall
If Les Miles is supposedly a dumb arse and has no evolution of talent then why did Keiland go undrafted? Obviously he showed nothing in work outs and the combine to show scouts he should be drafted and that Miles was holding out. Shannahan is known for taking no name backs and turning them into 1,000 yard rushers. Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Mike Bell, and Tatum Bell. Even Terrell Davis didn't have that successfull of a college career but look what he did in the pros. Shannahan is a great running game coach. Just because Keiland has made a team and is moving up the depth chart does NOT mean Les Miles is to fault. If you think that you are stupid.
Nick Saban had Joe Addai backing up Justin Vincent and often times Alley Broussard our championship year. Look what Joe Addai is doing in the pros, and does any know what JV and Alley Cat are doing? That must mean Nick Saban is a dumb arse and lacks all evaluation of talent according many of yall
Posted on 9/22/10 at 10:12 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
IMO Ford will transfer if he doesnt start to get a lot of touches..
With Ware and Blue plus the 2011 recruits.. It might be best
With Ware and Blue plus the 2011 recruits.. It might be best
Posted on 9/22/10 at 10:15 am to ForeLSU
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so performing well against a vanilla defense with low levels of speed and intensity tells us nothing about Ford...but performing shitty against the same doesn't tell us anything about JJ either??
It proves that you and your other fellow JL homers don’t know shite from a hole in the ground.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 10:16 am to OzChuffnugg
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Obviously he showed nothing in work outs and the combine to show scouts he should be drafted
He was coming off a broken ankle
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Nick Saban had Joe Addai backing up Justin Vincent and often times Alley Broussard our championship year. Look what Joe Addai is doing in the pros, and does any know what JV and Alley Cat are doing? That must mean Nick Saban is a dumb arse and lacks all evaluation of talent according many of yall
Y'all really don't get it...who the hell was saying addai should get more carries? Nobody. Who was saying Keiland should get more carries? Everyone..everyone with a brain at least. The fact that addai went on to a good NFL career doesn't change the fact that Vincent and alley were better. The fact that Keiland is on his way to a better pro career than hester and Scott validates what everyone thought, Keiland is and was better.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 10:22 am to DBG
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The fact that addai went on to a good NFL career doesn't change the fact that Vincent and alley were better. The fact that Keiland is on his way to a better pro career than hester and Scott validates what everyone thought, Keiland is and was better.
contradictory.
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