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re: Jordan Jefferson's Learning Curve Vs. Garrett Gilbert's
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:07 am to Sammobile
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:07 am to Sammobile
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why must you compare ever qb to Jefferson(only to make him look bad)
to prove a point...That he's not going to be the QB you think he will be...Not Championship material...I want whats best for LSU, that
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is a different class of player he's going to be something special.
do you finally understand why I harp on this point...I dont hate JJ as a person...same as Miles...I'm sure they are both nice guys...JJ prob works extremely hard...Just wont be able to do "it"
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Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:08 am to Boh
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but to be fair, point me to a game where JJ was decisive in the pocket and read coverage quickly while getting to a 3rd receiver on a given play. blame coaching for what JJ hasn't done, but after starting for a year and a half, he should be further along than he is just by experience
Thing is, we as fans often have no idea what the QB's reads are and what he is and isn't supposed to do. Only the players and coaches know that.
If you want a play where JJ "made a read" look no further than the last TD to LaFell ... he recognized the LB on the blitz and threw hot and the ball got there just as LaFell turned for it.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:08 am to TigerFan55555
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Jordan Jefferson's Learning Curve Vs. Garrett Gilbert's
i knew these threads were going to be starting today.
and you people are probably the same people that after watching Jefferson play in last years bowl game thought he was going to be amazing.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:08 am to TigerFan55555
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TigerFan55555
why not reply to the rest of my post?
and even saying that did you even watch our bowl game, Jefferson did a complete 180 in the 2nd half of the Penn State game.
This post was edited on 1/8/10 at 9:11 am
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:09 am to Boh
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point me to a game where JJ was decisive in the pocket and read coverage quickly while getting to a 3rd receiver on a given play. blame coaching for what JJ hasn't done, but after starting for a year and a half, he should be further along than he is just by experience.
A true freshman with less than a qtr of playing time the whole year did this a few times last night...
SONIC BOOM!!!
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:09 am to LSU GrandDad
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a handful of plays where his OL gave him forever to throw it to the predetermined WR that got open against a safety in man coverage. bamas defco (kirby) got caught playing in a defence that he probably should have switched out of.
I was wondering if I was the only one that noticed the throws were going to #8 unless he was either covered, or used as a decoy, then they went to #4. Outside of Bama not containing the corner, nothing else was noteworthy in my book.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:10 am to noonan
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and you people are probably the same people that after watching Jefferson play in last years bowl game thought he was going to be amazing.
yeah but then there was the second half that we had to watch.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:11 am to amiznit
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he recognized the LB on the blitz and threw hot and the ball got there just as LaFell turned for it.
that he did. and he did make some great plays this year... but with no consistency and no command of the offense.
texas really stepped up and got behind Gilbert in the 2nd half, and he performed very well after a shaky start. forced a few throws, but he will probably improve. at this point in his career, i can't see JJ on that stage making plays with what we have seen. he will keep us in games, but it is hard for me to see us making a run at an SEC championship with him playing the way he has
This post was edited on 1/8/10 at 9:16 am
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:11 am to Boh
I think the most turnovers in a single game for Jefferson was 2. Gilbert was great last night considering the situation that put him there. He almost led Texas to a comeback victory before all hell broke loose in the final 2 minutes. He has a very bright future ahead of him at Texas.
Jefferson, on the other hand, has the ability to be great. I've said that all along. It's the coaching that messes him up. He has shown that he has the ability but our damn coaches just won't fuking utilise it!!!
All these people on here who bitch about Jefferson and blame our losses on him are dumbasses.
I'll admit, he has made mistakes and he should be further along than he is, but I'd still take him over yet ANOTHER first-year QB!!!
Jefferson, on the other hand, has the ability to be great. I've said that all along. It's the coaching that messes him up. He has shown that he has the ability but our damn coaches just won't fuking utilise it!!!
All these people on here who bitch about Jefferson and blame our losses on him are dumbasses.
I'll admit, he has made mistakes and he should be further along than he is, but I'd still take him over yet ANOTHER first-year QB!!!
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:14 am to TIGRLEE
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yeah but then there was the second half that we had to watch.
what?
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:15 am to TIGRLEE
Gilbert didnt have to come in and learn from scratch the basics of quarterback play from day one. Like proper footwork, proper throwing motion, how to read a defense, how to check out of plays when the keys dictate it, etc
JJ was surrounded by D-1 talent at Destrehan and they very wisely kept things simple and let their talent work. This lead to a lot of wins but it didnt exactly prepare JJ for going off to the SEC. So he has been a project for LSU since day one. The pressure and nature of starting last year and being the guy this year will lead to some bumps in the road and inconsistent play. We saw the same thing with Jamarcus, it takes time.
Jrussell got it going in college and look at him now. It is like he is back to square one and starting all over again in the NFL. Except now he is paid and may not have the motivation to get better that he once had. I don't think that is the problem with JJ.
JJ was surrounded by D-1 talent at Destrehan and they very wisely kept things simple and let their talent work. This lead to a lot of wins but it didnt exactly prepare JJ for going off to the SEC. So he has been a project for LSU since day one. The pressure and nature of starting last year and being the guy this year will lead to some bumps in the road and inconsistent play. We saw the same thing with Jamarcus, it takes time.
Jrussell got it going in college and look at him now. It is like he is back to square one and starting all over again in the NFL. Except now he is paid and may not have the motivation to get better that he once had. I don't think that is the problem with JJ.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:16 am to TIGRLEE
We don't really know if it's Jordan developing slowly or the coaches not helping him to develop. The biggest thing for me is his ability to get rid of it and avoid a sack. Hell, my wife sees this problem. Being sacked 34 times is just plain not good, but you can't fault the kid for all of those. Our line just wasn't good this year.
All that said, Jordan played in his first full college season in 2009. He only threw seven interceptions all year, people. Didn't Jarrett Lee throw seven touchdowns to the defense in '08? In less games?
I thought Jordan looked improved in the bowl game. He was 13-24 for 200+ yards in horrible conditions, and how many drops did his receivers have? We catch the ball in that game and he might end up the MVP.
The key is coaching the kid up through the spring. He could be a solid QB next year, really solid, provided he learns when to get rid of it/run (I think we see signs of this already) and he gets some better protection. Support the kid, he's got potential.
All that said, Jordan played in his first full college season in 2009. He only threw seven interceptions all year, people. Didn't Jarrett Lee throw seven touchdowns to the defense in '08? In less games?
I thought Jordan looked improved in the bowl game. He was 13-24 for 200+ yards in horrible conditions, and how many drops did his receivers have? We catch the ball in that game and he might end up the MVP.
The key is coaching the kid up through the spring. He could be a solid QB next year, really solid, provided he learns when to get rid of it/run (I think we see signs of this already) and he gets some better protection. Support the kid, he's got potential.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:16 am to LSU GrandDad
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OL gave him forever to throw it to the predetermined WR that got open against a safety in man coverage
I do believe he looked the safety off that play...
quote:who in the hell said that.?
you are naive if you think gilbert's learning curve is over
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:16 am to lsu1208
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It's the coaching that messes him up. He has shown that he has the ability but our damn coaches just won't fuking utilise it!!!
this is an excuse thats getting really old.
There comes a time (sooner than later for some)when yo ugot to admit certian players are just avg. and no matter how much "coaching" they get your only gonna get so much out of them.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:16 am to lsu1208
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Jefferson, on the other hand, has the ability to be great.
he can be very good, I don't see greatness though. at the same time I don't think he needs to be great for us to win a championship.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:19 am to supatigah
i just don't see enough leadership in JJ. as fans we obviously don't see everything, and the players may like him. but seeing him in the huddle and during plays, it's like he's trying too hard to be away from pressure and rarely decides to throw the ball within a few seconds.
i do fault the coaches for his development, but if he had a high football IQ and knew how to make plays consistently, then the problems with the offense wouldn't be so obvious
i do fault the coaches for his development, but if he had a high football IQ and knew how to make plays consistently, then the problems with the offense wouldn't be so obvious
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:19 am to ATLTiger
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Jefferson, on the other hand, has the ability to be great
Please tell me what you have seen in JJ since he has been at LSU that brings you to this conclusion.
I want to understand and believe as you do.
FYI... I dont fricking that he is only 19yrs old and I dont fricking care that he didnt lose any games in HS.
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:20 am to amiznit
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If you want a play where JJ "made a read" look no further than the last TD to LaFell ... he recognized the LB on the blitz and threw hot and the ball got there just as LaFell turned for it.
once...in 16-17 games....this kid did it in 3 qtrs....hmm...
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:21 am to TIGRLEE
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this is an excuse thats getting really old.
+1
quote:sooner for the smarter ones...
There comes a time (sooner than later for some)
Posted on 1/8/10 at 9:22 am to Boh
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i just don't see enough leadership in JJ. as fans we obviously don't see everything, and the players may like him. but seeing him in the huddle and during plays, it's like he's trying too hard to be away from pressure and rarely decides to throw the ball within a few seconds.
i do fault the coaches for his development, but if he had a high football IQ and knew how to make plays consistently, then the problems with the offense wouldn't be so obvious
+1
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