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re: Joe Alleva said he never would have hired Jimbo Fisher
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:57 am to Byrdybyrd05
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:57 am to Byrdybyrd05
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“I still have a lot of friends in the ACC,” Alleva said. “I talked to them, and after that I didn’t want any part of Jimbo. I would never have hired Jimbo. He was never on my radar. Now, fans and some people in the department wanted him, but I never wanted him.
“I could have made a change (at the end of the 2015 season). I recommended not to. Because I would have been forced to hire Jimbo. I would rather have had Les. But if I didn’t hire him, the outcry would have been ridiculous. So we had that meeting during the (Texas A&M) game, and I made the recommendation to keep (Miles).”
So why did "I am the search" Alleva negotiate with Fisher the next year then?
quote:
Three sources with knowledge of the negotiations said LSU was prepared to pay $6 million a year for Fisher and upped the ante to $6.8 million annually for the former Tigers assistant. But even that number was not enough to sway Fisher's camp, led by agent Jimmy Sexton.
LSU's administrators, most notably athletic director Joe Alleva, wanted a deal with Fisher done by Wednesday.
LINK
Gonna go out on a limb and say that Alleva is lying. His incompetence and cheapness helped LSU in the end, but let's not pretend that he didn't fall backasswards into success with Orgeron.
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:21 pm to Byrdybyrd05
I don’t believe that for a second. What a loser that guy is talking crap about Wade
He just sees Fisher struggling at A&M so he wants to sound smart
He just sees Fisher struggling at A&M so he wants to sound smart
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:24 pm to BilJ
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Joe is using the results and hindsight to correct and fix his legacy.
I don't see how. Orgeron ended up being a good hire, but he still says he had bad advice on the Will Wade hire. Wade was a good hire also. He's still here after all the media and NCAA attention. He still got Trendon Watford to sign despite the media and NCAA attention for this season and now 5-star Cameron Thomas for next season.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:32 pm to Byrdybyrd05
That's total BS. If Jimbo was 14-0 and we were 8-5 he's be saying how he begged F King to hire Jimbo.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:42 pm to Byrdybyrd05
kick rocks alleva
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:49 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Keeping Les because he would have had to hire Jimbo is a terrible move.
As far as the Orgeron hire goes, are we blaming Alleva for forcing O to hire Canada and allowing him to hire E and a septuagenarian to build a modern spread offense?
As far as the Orgeron hire goes, are we blaming Alleva for forcing O to hire Canada and allowing him to hire E and a septuagenarian to build a modern spread offense?
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:54 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Not sure why, but I believe DALSU over Alleva
ME TOO!
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:56 pm to ApexTiger
Well Alleva is a habitual liar and bullshite artist, so there is that...
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:11 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Lot of responses to this, so maybe I just missed it while scanning replies, but this...
...sounds like an unnecessary shot at a guy he didn't hire. Could have used the same "we weren't going to pay that kind of money" reasoning he used to explain why Herman wasn't the guy, and nobody would have questioned it.
This quote seems like an aggressive shot at Fisher, and an indirect shot at the man who hired Fisher away from Florida State. Both seem unnecessary, IMO.
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“I still have a lot of friends in the ACC,” Alleva said. “I talked to them, and after that I didn’t want any part of Jimbo.
...sounds like an unnecessary shot at a guy he didn't hire. Could have used the same "we weren't going to pay that kind of money" reasoning he used to explain why Herman wasn't the guy, and nobody would have questioned it.
This quote seems like an aggressive shot at Fisher, and an indirect shot at the man who hired Fisher away from Florida State. Both seem unnecessary, IMO.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:15 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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Gonna go out on a limb and say that Alleva is lying
He's slime. He's just trying to make himself look good now that his poor process worked out in spite of him.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:21 pm to Goldrush25
Are we going to ignore that our current AD gave Jimbo a 75 million dollar contract that he did not deserve and probably is going to be a disaster of a hire for them?
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:28 pm to tigerbait3488
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Are we going to ignore that our current AD gave Jimbo a 75 million dollar contract that he did not deserve and probably is going to be a disaster of a hire for them?
What does that have to do with whether or not Jimbo would've been a good hire in 2015?
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:37 pm to Goldrush25
Aleva has a legacy and it is not Joe Dean's legacy, but it also isn't Skip/with help from Emmert. It isn't bad, but he needed to go.
However here are my beefs:
1. Gameday situation is a cluster that has not improved since before Skip and he only made it worse.
2. After the debacle in 2011, Miles should have never been extended and allowed to have a buyout that made him almost unfireable. That is Alleva, plain and simple.
3. I'm not a Jimbo fan, but Joe wanted him and could not deal with his agent/Sexton.
4. The debacle with Miles was politics and he allowed himself to be caught in that. He wouldn't of cut Miles loose mid-season the next year if he thought he was the better choice. He just couldn't deal with Sexton again.
5. I am also not a fan of Herman and that hire was going to be his legacy, but again he couldn't deal with an agent and got played again.
6. I believe as some have stated that with the Orgeron thing, he thought he could pull the plug on him cheap when a hot new name came up, I am glad this didn't occur.
7. His treatment of baseball isn't the best, but Paul would be tough to jettison.
8. He should have never been hired after Duke scandal.
9. He allowed outside forces to sway him in basketball at the hiring of Wade should have been one of his best accomplishments, but he let outside forces disrupt a program in a Sport that is notorious for bad actors throughout. It is how the CBB is and he should have known that prior to Wades hire and should have circled the wagons when the shite hit the fan.
There are tons of more things, but to me; him extending Miles after 2011 is possibly the thing that started his downfall. Wade just ended it. He should have never been hired and we could have elevated another Coach or some of the other guys in our athletic department that have gone on to have sucess as AD's at other schools to do what he did.
However here are my beefs:
1. Gameday situation is a cluster that has not improved since before Skip and he only made it worse.
2. After the debacle in 2011, Miles should have never been extended and allowed to have a buyout that made him almost unfireable. That is Alleva, plain and simple.
3. I'm not a Jimbo fan, but Joe wanted him and could not deal with his agent/Sexton.
4. The debacle with Miles was politics and he allowed himself to be caught in that. He wouldn't of cut Miles loose mid-season the next year if he thought he was the better choice. He just couldn't deal with Sexton again.
5. I am also not a fan of Herman and that hire was going to be his legacy, but again he couldn't deal with an agent and got played again.
6. I believe as some have stated that with the Orgeron thing, he thought he could pull the plug on him cheap when a hot new name came up, I am glad this didn't occur.
7. His treatment of baseball isn't the best, but Paul would be tough to jettison.
8. He should have never been hired after Duke scandal.
9. He allowed outside forces to sway him in basketball at the hiring of Wade should have been one of his best accomplishments, but he let outside forces disrupt a program in a Sport that is notorious for bad actors throughout. It is how the CBB is and he should have known that prior to Wades hire and should have circled the wagons when the shite hit the fan.
There are tons of more things, but to me; him extending Miles after 2011 is possibly the thing that started his downfall. Wade just ended it. He should have never been hired and we could have elevated another Coach or some of the other guys in our athletic department that have gone on to have sucess as AD's at other schools to do what he did.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:48 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Absolutely don’t believe him.
The whole article he is just trying to restore his shattered reputation!
The whole article he is just trying to restore his shattered reputation!
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:52 pm to Byrdybyrd05
If Alleva had already destroyed his decision-making ability to the point that he couldn't pick the next head coach, that he would have "been forced" to hire someone that he didn't think was good, then he should have resigned right then.
This is Alleva confessing that, at that point, he had already messed up enough such that he was incapable of doing his job.
I want an AD who listens to the fanbase and to donors, elected officials, coaches, etc. -- but I also want an AD who is in charge and is going to run the department correctly. Glad we have that now.
This is Alleva confessing that, at that point, he had already messed up enough such that he was incapable of doing his job.
I want an AD who listens to the fanbase and to donors, elected officials, coaches, etc. -- but I also want an AD who is in charge and is going to run the department correctly. Glad we have that now.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:08 pm to Byrdybyrd05
I'm glad he hired O, and I give him credit for that.
But man, this piece just proves Joe A is a whiny POS. They would have "made him" hire Jimbo? Bad recs on Wade? Throwing Les under the bus like that in public?
He must think he was wronged. What a joke.
But man, this piece just proves Joe A is a whiny POS. They would have "made him" hire Jimbo? Bad recs on Wade? Throwing Les under the bus like that in public?
He must think he was wronged. What a joke.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:46 pm to LSUFanHouston
Regardless if Old Joe is telling the truth or not, the fools gold shine is wearing off on Jimbeaux. So what he won in the acc. The sec west as Jimbeaux is finding out is a different animal. Anyone here who doesn’t see that Jimbeaux is a snake oil salesman is not paying attention. It would have been a terrible decision to hire him.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 3:14 pm to Byrdybyrd05
quote:
When LSU made the move to fire Les Miles during the 2016 season.
one of the best decisions made by the LSU administration. history in the making.
a lot of pieces have fallen into place. there is a reason for everything.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 3:34 pm to hometownhero89
and you what's best for our university how? STFU!!!
Posted on 1/9/20 at 3:43 pm to Goldrush25
quote:I’m more of a Miles die-hard about it, but yeah i never wanted to replace Miles with Jimbo. They both lost 3 games in 2015, and Jimbo had an easier schedule. Add $16million to the plan, and yeah, you’d have to be an idiot to support that action.
If you're on record as opposing the hiring of Jimbo all the way since 2015 then ok. I doubt you were this vocal about it.
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