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Jeff Grimes' Impact on Pass Protection
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:24 am
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:24 am
Look, we couldn't really throw the ball last year, but I thought the offensive line was much better in their technique. What really stood out was that we didn't struggle with stunts like we had with Stud. For a refresher, go look at our last drive against Georgia in 2013 (or that Bama game for that matter). In obvious passing downs, teams stunted against us and for whatever reason we just couldn't pick them up or communicate.
Do you think this is a function of the zone scheme mentality or is Grimes doing something else fundamentally different that accounts for his success against stunts and twists?
Do you think this is a function of the zone scheme mentality or is Grimes doing something else fundamentally different that accounts for his success against stunts and twists?
This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 9:25 am
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:27 am to therick711
The players are learning technique for the first time under Grimes.
We taught it before here, it was primarily hat on hat blocking. He's doing an infinitely better job of teaching footwork (6 inch step vs. 1 foot) and hand placement.
The only caveat is, you won't really see the full results for another year or two, when you've had guys getting this stuff drilled into them for 3-4 years.
We taught it before here, it was primarily hat on hat blocking. He's doing an infinitely better job of teaching footwork (6 inch step vs. 1 foot) and hand placement.
The only caveat is, you won't really see the full results for another year or two, when you've had guys getting this stuff drilled into them for 3-4 years.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:29 am to therick711
Tbh, I have no idea what the hell makes an olineman good. I do however like that clapp is the center this year amongst a veteran offensive line. Goes to show how mature he is and how good the rest of the line is
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:34 am to geauxnavybeatbama
Go watch Wisconsin and then go to the Ole Miss/Bama games. The level of improvement is astronomical. Everyone was hating on Grimes, but I'm betting these are the guys that don't realize how hard it is to play on the line. Once our guys started to understand the scheme and know their assignments, you could see Grimes affect. I am really interested to see Vadal and Hawkins this year as they are both extremely talented, big guys who with great technique could give us a devastating Tackle combination.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:34 am to geauxnavybeatbama
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Tbh, I have no idea what the hell makes an olineman good.
Technique and athleticism usually. Not unlike every other position
They got a lot of guys that look like NFL picks when going forward, but look like they are wearing Forrest Gump leg braces when having to move side to side or backwardso
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:41 am to therick711
Also I noticed last year vs the 3 years before, our O Line was actually able to pull and able to get off of the blocks and get over for screen plays to the RBs. We missed that for a while...
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:46 am to Tiger Nation 84
Georgia just spammed stunts against us and it was like an auto sack. Dudes coming untouched from everywhere. Sickening.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:49 am to therick711
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or that Bama game for that matter
That was such an embarrassment in the second half of that game. Stud had no answer for Bama's blitzes & stunt twist. It got Mett absolutely killed & made our lineman seem to give up.
It was the same issues early in the GOTC where Lee was getting tremendous pressure in his face early & often. They only answer Stud had that game was to bring in Jefferson & the threat of the option. I'm not sure many realize just how bad Stud was for us from a preparation & ability to make in game adjustments standpoint.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:53 am to geauxnavybeatbama
His footwork, his punch, his aggressiveness, his explosion off the snap, he's quickness, and his vision are a few attributes
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:04 am to therick711
I remember going into last year a few comments from one or more linemen that Grimes was making all of the OL put in more work with understanding defensive schemes. I don't remember exactly, but it had something to do with each player moving beyond just understanding their basic role on a given play to understanding what everyone on defense was trying to do in certain alignments, etc., as well as how their fellow oline would be responding in such situations.
In theory, that top level view should give each player a greater ability to anticipate when defenders are setting up to run stunts, help with communication across the line, etc.
I don't know if that sort of teaching was lacking or not under Stud (that a player commented it became a greater point of emphasis with Grimes may have as much to do with that player as it did to Stud/Grimes). And I don't know how much of a role something like this may have attributed to improvement over the course of last season, but this thread reminded me of that.
In theory, that top level view should give each player a greater ability to anticipate when defenders are setting up to run stunts, help with communication across the line, etc.
I don't know if that sort of teaching was lacking or not under Stud (that a player commented it became a greater point of emphasis with Grimes may have as much to do with that player as it did to Stud/Grimes). And I don't know how much of a role something like this may have attributed to improvement over the course of last season, but this thread reminded me of that.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:24 am to Tiger Nation 84
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Also I noticed last year vs the 3 years before, our O Line was actually able to pull and able to get off of the blocks and get over for screen plays to the RBs. We missed that for a while...
Bring back the JAILBREAK!
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:31 am to therick711
Part of our early difficulties on the line last year was due to the fact that we transitioned from a man blocking scheme to a zone blocking scheme. It does take a little while to learn the differences.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:42 am to 86Tigergrad
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Part of our early difficulties on the line last year was due to the fact that we transitioned from a man blocking scheme to a zone blocking scheme. It does take a little while to learn the differences.
100% correct
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:55 am to 86Tigergrad
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Part of our early difficulties on the line last year was due to the fact that we transitioned from a man blocking scheme to a zone blocking scheme. It does take a little while to learn the differences.
really? where are you getting that from? Stud was a pretty big zone blocking guy (and a pretty big guy in general I guess).
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:58 am to Leonard Threenette
They clearly improved thru the season. Another year in the new scheme can only help.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:02 am to ATLTiger
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really? where are you getting that from? Stud was a pretty big zone blocking guy (and a pretty big guy in general I guess).
Well, several people have said it. Stud's run game was not really predicated on zone run concepts. He was more of a man block scheme.
One of the things that tipped off people is when Will Blackwell lost his mind, he noted that a zone concept (I believe he said a "run gap scheme") should have been implemented on 1/9/12. The implication is that they did not run a zone run scheme.
This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 11:09 am
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:53 am to therick711
Imagine what will happen when LSU can actually throw the ball with consistency and teams cant stack the box.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 1:06 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Go watch Wisconsin and then go to the Ole Miss/Bama games. The level of improvement is astronomical. Everyone was hating on Grimes, but I'm betting these are the guys that don't realize how hard it is to play on the line. Once our guys started to understand the scheme and know their assignments, you could see Grimes affect.
Spot on. Not fully understanding everything that goes into OL coaching myself, I was sick to my stomach early on last season and worried that Grimes was a really bad hire. But MAN did that line improve as the season wore on. Just took a little time. So happy that the veterans now have a season with Grimes under their belts. Should be a great line this season.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:29 pm to therick711
I still wasn't crazy about pass protection last year, but I agree with you it was improved. Although our QBs were very inconsistent in passing, protection, subjectively looked better.
On the other hand, we really didn't pass very much in the grand scheme of things. I don't know if that helps or hurts a pass-blocking scheme, to be honest with you.
On the other hand, we really didn't pass very much in the grand scheme of things. I don't know if that helps or hurts a pass-blocking scheme, to be honest with you.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 3:09 pm to Ace Midnight
I understand that every D1 program has gigantic offensive lines, but if this group can continue to improve their footwork and stunt recognition in pass blocking, the sky is limit. they are so big, that some of the size and strength has the ability to cover up small technical mistakes in a zone blocking scheme when we run
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