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Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:30 pm
It seems like everyone is forgetting/exaggerating/making up statistics about both Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson.
One of the main points that everyone is making that is annoying the shite out of me about Jarrett Lee is how well the offense "rolled" with him as the QB. Against BCS opponents Jarrett Lee only led the Tigers to 30+ points 2 times in 7 games, while Jordan Jefferson has lead them to 30+ points 4 times in 7 games, also against BCS opponents. We've scored 20+ against BCS opponents 6 out of 7 times under Jefferson and the only case in which we didn't was against the best defense in the entire country with 4 possible first rounders as their DB's and a top five as their MLB, with the rest of the defense being likely draft picks in the next 3 years.
Another fact is that Jarrett Lee wasn't "airing it out" like everyone wants Jefferson to do. 4 out of 8 of Lee's touchdown passes in SEC play last year were of 10 yards or less. How can you claim that Lee's arm is so superior if he's throwing 10 yarders half the time?
Everyone is also on and on about how Lee was "just a freshman" and how "it will come with maturity". Are we forgetting that Lee STILL threw plenty of interceptions this offseason? Obviously he hasn't come that far along. Right now Jefferson is the same age that Lee was last year and is still a young kid, Lee on the other hand is the age of a junior making the same mistakes a freshman would make.
It looks like everyone is all of a sudden trying to make themselves feel better and more confident that the offense will be saved by Jarrett Lee by seeing his terrible year last year through rose colored glasses and hoping that he'll come in mature and strong, and I hate to say it, but if the coaching staff felt he could he would've had a chance by now.
One of the main points that everyone is making that is annoying the shite out of me about Jarrett Lee is how well the offense "rolled" with him as the QB. Against BCS opponents Jarrett Lee only led the Tigers to 30+ points 2 times in 7 games, while Jordan Jefferson has lead them to 30+ points 4 times in 7 games, also against BCS opponents. We've scored 20+ against BCS opponents 6 out of 7 times under Jefferson and the only case in which we didn't was against the best defense in the entire country with 4 possible first rounders as their DB's and a top five as their MLB, with the rest of the defense being likely draft picks in the next 3 years.
Another fact is that Jarrett Lee wasn't "airing it out" like everyone wants Jefferson to do. 4 out of 8 of Lee's touchdown passes in SEC play last year were of 10 yards or less. How can you claim that Lee's arm is so superior if he's throwing 10 yarders half the time?
Everyone is also on and on about how Lee was "just a freshman" and how "it will come with maturity". Are we forgetting that Lee STILL threw plenty of interceptions this offseason? Obviously he hasn't come that far along. Right now Jefferson is the same age that Lee was last year and is still a young kid, Lee on the other hand is the age of a junior making the same mistakes a freshman would make.
It looks like everyone is all of a sudden trying to make themselves feel better and more confident that the offense will be saved by Jarrett Lee by seeing his terrible year last year through rose colored glasses and hoping that he'll come in mature and strong, and I hate to say it, but if the coaching staff felt he could he would've had a chance by now.
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Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:38 pm to olomgamer231
You know you hit the nail on the head when there are no responses! I agree completely with your assessment.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:40 pm to olomgamer231
I don't know that either guy can save it. That is what is alarming.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:42 pm to JLSU20
Both need a top notch qb coach, then both will be successful. Top need a specialty coach
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:43 pm to JLSU20
quote:
I don't know that either guy can save it. That is what is alarming
I completely agree. I just don't think that Lee is the one-game fix for our QB situation, and it seems like the general consensus is that he can just because we scored 41 against North Texas and Appy State last year.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:43 pm to olomgamer231
Hmmmm.....
There are a couple of posters that are noticeably absent.
There are a couple of posters that are noticeably absent.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:46 pm to JLSU20
quote:
I don't know that either guy can save it. That is what is alarming.
They don't have to save it. For once, LSU just really needs a game manager at QB to have a good season. The defense is good enough so that if the QB doesn't make too many mistakes, and makes good short passes, that we can win 9 or 10 regular season games.
But if we want to have a shot at the national title this year, we are probably going to need a playmaker at the QB position. However, this year, a NC is not likely.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:48 pm to RummelTiger
quote:
There are a couple of posters that are noticeably absent.
It seems like everyone would rather me post that "Jarrett Lee has no potential and that Jefferson is the next Jamarcus Russell" so everyone can jump my arse about posting some uneducated bullshite which is pretty frequent on the rant. We want a good ol' fashioned shite-talking session and speculation, not facts.Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:50 pm to RummelTiger
you are correct. neither one of them are ready but they are what we have. If you have two guys that aren't ready then you go with the guy that is less likely to lose the game for you. given what we have seen from both of them that appears to be JJ.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:50 pm to olomgamer231
You know Jefferson has only played 3 defenses that were ranked in Top 50 in either year?
Washington- 106
Georgia- 75
ULL- 92
Mississippi State- 71
Vandy- 22
Florida- 3
2008:
GT- 25
Arkansas- 72
Lee last season had
Alabama- 3
Florida- 9
South Carolina- 13
Ole Miss- 19
Georgia- 22
Auburn- 29
Troy- 34
Mississippi State- 35
Tulane- 84
Not saying who should start, but the numbers can lie if you play with them enough.
Washington- 106
Georgia- 75
ULL- 92
Mississippi State- 71
Vandy- 22
Florida- 3
2008:
GT- 25
Arkansas- 72
Lee last season had
Alabama- 3
Florida- 9
South Carolina- 13
Ole Miss- 19
Georgia- 22
Auburn- 29
Troy- 34
Mississippi State- 35
Tulane- 84
Not saying who should start, but the numbers can lie if you play with them enough.
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:54 pm to Gummy Bears
quote:
You know Jefferson has only played 3 defenses that were ranked in Top 50 in either year?
Get back with me at the end of the year when the statistics are finalized. Washington's are misleading because they've played strong teams thus far, ULL hasn't really started their conference schedule in which their numbers will go up, Miss States and Georgia's will go up throughout the season, and Vandy's will more than likely go down. The defenses will more than likely end up about even by the end of this year so that can't be an advantage to either team just yet.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:55 pm to olomgamer231
I think the "start lee" crowd has a point. He has the ability to take advantage of our tall receivers by throwing the ball downfield without apprehension.
Should they bench JJ for playing poorly against a defense that returned EVERY starter and backups? No.
Should Lee get a shot if Jefferson continues to struggle? yeah.
Should they bench JJ for playing poorly against a defense that returned EVERY starter and backups? No.
Should Lee get a shot if Jefferson continues to struggle? yeah.
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:56 pm to olomgamer231
who is asking for lee to start? i think lee should at least play 1 series a game though
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:56 pm to olomgamer231
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This post was edited on 4/6/23 at 8:58 am
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:57 pm to olomgamer231
quote:
Get back with me at the end of the year when the statistics are finalized. Washington's are misleading because they've played strong teams thus far, ULL hasn't really started their conference schedule in which their numbers will go up, Miss States and Georgia's will go up throughout the season, and Vandy's will more than likely go down. The defenses will more than likely end up about even by the end of this year so that can't be an advantage to either team just yet.
So you like to guess...
Like I said, you are using a few stats to back your claim and I am showing defensive ranking. Either way it shows Jefferson has had the easier road.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:58 pm to msutiger
Jefferson could be pretty good if Crowton didn't suck arse.
But if Crowton is going to continue to suck arse, then Lee needs to play in that offense.
But if Crowton is going to continue to suck arse, then Lee needs to play in that offense.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 9:59 pm to msutiger
quote:
msutiger
Jefferson did not put up 31 against Washington LSU as a team did. Remember Cutera INT return for TD. Same with Mississippi State (Peterson INT), so like I said number lie. All depends on how you want to use them.
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:00 pm to olomgamer231
quote:
It seems like everyone is forgetting/exaggerating/making up statistics about both Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson.
One of the main points that everyone is making that is annoying the shite out of me about Jarrett Lee is how well the offense "rolled" with him as the QB. Against BCS opponents Jarrett Lee only led the Tigers to 30+ points 2 times in 7 games, while Jordan Jefferson has lead them to 30+ points 4 times in 7 games, also against BCS opponents. We've scored 20+ against BCS opponents 6 out of 7 times under Jefferson and the only case in which we didn't was against the best defense in the entire country with 4 possible first rounders as their DB's and a top five as their MLB, with the rest of the defense being likely draft picks in the next 3 years.
Another fact is that Jarrett Lee wasn't "airing it out" like everyone wants Jefferson to do. 4 out of 8 of Lee's touchdown passes in SEC play last year were of 10 yards or less. How can you claim that Lee's arm is so superior if he's throwing 10 yarders half the time?
Everyone is also on and on about how Lee was "just a freshman" and how "it will come with maturity". Are we forgetting that Lee STILL threw plenty of interceptions this offseason? Obviously he hasn't come that far along. Right now Jefferson is the same age that Lee was last year and is still a young kid, Lee on the other hand is the age of a junior making the same mistakes a freshman would make.
It looks like everyone is all of a sudden trying to make themselves feel better and more confident that the offense will be saved by Jarrett Lee by seeing his terrible year last year through rose colored glasses and hoping that he'll come in mature and strong, and I hate to say it, but if the coaching staff felt he could he would've had a chance by now.
Dropping truthbombs on the unsuspecting public.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:01 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:
Jefferson could be pretty good if Crowton didn't suck arse.
But if Crowton is going to continue to suck arse, then Lee needs to play in that offense.
Its not his fault that Jefferson:
cant checkdown receivers fast enough
drops back to far
holds on to the ball too long
has no pocket presence
cant throw the deep ball very accurately
cant run the option
checks 1 receiver and if that guy isnt open he takes off
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:02 pm to Gummy Bears
for got about cutrera's pick six. So he has not put up 30 points yet this year. THIS THREAD HAS JUST BECOME A COMPLETE FAIL
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