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memphis tiger
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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Im sure I could find more within the last two games, but lets also remember this isn't SEC talent we are playing, I mean come on when we play a team with a big physical receiver are you not going to worry at all, the evidence on the second gif i shared shows what happens and you are already seeing things against FCS schools that relate to the same type of mishaps that he had last year


Again, please tell my why I should trust your film critique over Arandas?

Please, let me know your qualifications.

Once DJ or KT does something to warrant the coaches making a move at CB, fine, you'll here no argument from me.

But it is just downright laughable that you think you know better than one of the best DB coaches and probably the best DC in the country.


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LosTigres25
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
Blah , blah, blah. Whatever.

Toliver will be trying to get his job back from Williams. This battle is long from over. Toliver sticks to his guy like glue and Williams seems to just make huge plays and has looked the part. Creating turnovers has to be rewarded first with these 2. If you are going to knit pick the Tiger D since Aranda has gotten here lack of turnovers would head the list.

If you dont think the big boys are going to challenge Williams first vs Jackson, I dont know what to tell you.

Williams may prove to be the real deal, (he looks great thus far) but thats not affecting Jackson, only Toliver.

Jackson is secure in his position. He proved that last year against the Gumps, A&M and Louisville and everyone else not named Florida, and that was one play all season.

With White on the other side, Saban had 2 weeks to try and exploit Jackson, Petrino a month with the Heisman winner, A&M had a plethora of talented Wr's with an experienced QB. And none of these teams could hardly complete a pass on Jackson.
Well in my opinion.....blah blah blah.

What good is babbling about the depth chart when Dave Aranda is in charge and the defense has been stellar for 2+ years?


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memphis tiger
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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Jackson is secure in his position. He proved that last year against the Gumps, A&M and Louisville and everyone else not named Florida, and that was one play all season.



Shhhhhhh.... these guys know better than the best D.C. In the country.


tiger25
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
What I'm thinking about is why not put greedy at the nickel when we go to that package and bring toliver in for that outside spot like we did for mathieu? Put your best 3 corners on the field.


kengel2
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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Upperclassman (More Experience)


Jackson and Toliver are in the same class.


memphis tiger
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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What I'm thinking about is why not put greedy at the nickel when we go to that package and bring toliver in for that outside spot like we did for mathieu? Put your best 3 corners on the field.






Last game it looked like Vincent was that guy.

Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe, just maybe Greedy, DJ and Vincent are the top guys at those 3 positions (LCB RCB NB) and KT for whatever reason (talent, injury, work ethic or whatever) has fallen back.



And to be clear, I don't hate KT the way some of you hate DJ. I'd love it if he were to step up and live up to the 5 start potential we recruited.
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SwampBandit
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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I don't hate KT the way some of you hate DJ

I dont hate Donte either, I just think he needs to work on some things because he does have some flaws, worst of all it is tackling which is a pretty big thing!


SwampBandit
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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Jackson and Toliver are in the same class.

I will take that slap across the back of my neck


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tiger25
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
I never said that Vincent didn't look good but you haven't heard anything about him battling for greedys spot which is why I would ask the question.

Also we heard the KT had a really good spring and fall camp like donte did. He just got into trouble and greedy took advantage of his opportunity.

Listen I'm not saying that I know more then the coaches. This is a message board where we talk about LSU sports. What the hell else are we suppose to do? Stop being such a douche.


SwampBandit
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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Stop being such a douche.

Second time he got called a douche on this thread....It must be true

But seriously if we didnt talk about things like this there would not be shite to talk about...Look at 60-70% of the thread topics and it is all stuff questioning what LSU coaches do like Canada rushing the ball more than passing and so on..

I mean what did you say when Brandon Harris was QB and CLM left him in...."I trust what CLM sees in Brandon and i wont question that"
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memphis tiger
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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I mean what did you say when Brandon Harris was QB and CLM left him in...."I trust what CLM sees in Brandon and i wont question that"


Ha!!!! No becuase I never really trusted Miles.

As I said earlier in some thread (maybe this one), Arand is the one coach I have complete faith in. And if he puts a guy on the field, I believe then that that guy absolutely should be in the field.

I suspect that the very second DJ or anybody else doesn't meet Aeandas expectations, he will be replaced.

I never felt that way about Miles.


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Penrod
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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Every game is going to reveal Dontes weaknesses in coverage and tackling


If Donte is such a poor tackler why is he on the kickoff coverage team?


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Penrod
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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why not put greedy at the nickel when we go to that package and bring toliver in for that outside spot like we did for mathieu?


What if someone gets hurt? You can't just plug and play everyone. Each corner has different responsibilities each week. It's rare to have a guy who masters it all. That's why you will often see an inferior player substituting while his better stays on the bench.


tiger25
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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What if someone gets hurt?


You can't be scared of putting people on the field cause of the possibility of them getting hurt. You put the best 11 on the field.

The rest of what you said I can agree with


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Rickdaddy4188
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Member since Aug 2011
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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next time you decide to pick apart someone's post, go ahead and read what they were responding to and also bring some facts or at least an opinion to the table cuz you argue like a 7th grade


i dont need an OPINION. i have the FACT that unless you have the all 22 film you have no clue if Donte is smothering wrs.
PP,Mo,TM,TW all gave up big passing plays in their career here.

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his technique is often brushed aside as he relies on his speed




people that understand football see posts like the one you posted above and know youre talking out of your ass. its just regurgitated bull shite you saw someone else post or you just made it up. UNLESS YOU HAVE THE ALL 22 FILM you have no clue what so ever what his technique looks like. you can pass that bull shite off on people that dont know better.

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His tackling is suspect, 


another bull shite regurgitated rant myth.

only Adams had more solo tackles in the 2016 lsu secondary.

Jackson had 32 solo tackles in 2016. 4th on the team


so there is my reply to your enitre untrue post
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Rickdaddy4188
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Member since Aug 2011
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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Every game is going to reveal Dontes weaknesses in coverage and tackling 



see. just another bull shite rant myth.


in 2016 donte Jackson was 4th on the team in solo tackles.

Donte Jackson had one less solo tackle than Beckwith last year.
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DaCajun1
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Atlanta
Member since Jul 2007
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
Tolliver is better. Just because coaches have Donte starting doesn't mean he is better. By that rationale, Greedy was not as good as either KT or Donte going into the season as they both were listed as starters ahead of him. How did that play out?

More tired and mindless excuses from rantards that can't think for themselves and repeat whatever authorities tell them to believe.


SwampBandit
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Livonia, La
Member since Jun 2016
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re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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dante

If you are going to go off on a tirade Rick at least spell his name right.


Rickdaddy4188
LSU Fan
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
30596 posts

re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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And learn how to wrap up instead of just shoulder tackling!


1 less solo tackle than Beckwith last year. you do realize that you can look this shite up right?

so lets see how ignorant your ckaims have been in this thread.


Jackson's 2016 ranking on lsu

solo tackles-4th
pd- 2nd
ints- ties for 1st
int yards- 1st



you do realize that you can look this shite up before posting WRONG shit,right?


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Rickdaddy4188
LSU Fan
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
30596 posts

re: Jackson vs Tolliver for oppo side of Williams?
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Tolliver is better.


no he isnt.
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Just because coaches have Donte starting doesn't mean he is better.




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More tired and mindless excuses from rantards that can't think for themselves and repeat whatever authorities tell them to believe.


the fact that you think you know which defensive players are better over Aranda is glorious


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