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re: It's NOT the officiating ....
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:36 pm to King Joey
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:36 pm to King Joey
on pretty much all of our offensive rebounds that we got inside the 3 point line, we committed loose ball fouls
very, very few calls
the refs let a lot of stuff go today, but we had no answer for their driving and post game. we don't have good bigs
our best big is 6-6
very, very few calls
the refs let a lot of stuff go today, but we had no answer for their driving and post game. we don't have good bigs
our best big is 6-6
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Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:36 pm to CAT
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We had a spark with Bass in there and looked like he should have played more with what Spencer was doing.
This is correct.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:37 pm to BgwinLSU
Tournaments favor guard and post play...we have no post...good game State...both played well...I have a feeling we will get a 5th seed and draw Siena or VCU...I don't like either matchup!
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:38 pm to moneyg
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I don't think it was the only reason we lost. We could have still won had we had any production from the perimeter. But the referees deserve criticism for this game.
Exactly. Just because LSU didn't play a good game does not mean that the officiating didn't play the biggest role in the game. Miss St. didn't play a particularly good game either, they just played with more visible energy. (Which, IMO, is what the refs got caught up in and caused the disparity in fouls.)
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:38 pm to BgwinLSU
quote:No glasses necessary to observe a 3-1 FT margin, or hear even the paid announcers comment on how it was like a rugby scrum under our basket when we drove into the lane but no whistle. How about you take off your Black and White glasses, and give us an objective explanation for why the referees are the only human beings involved in sports that have never once improperly influenced the outcome of a game?
Take off your Purple and Gold glasses.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:It's hard for me to pick who is better out of Johnson, Thornton, and Warren. They all have their good and bad moments.
our best big is 6-6
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:39 pm to King Joey
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human beings involved in sports that have never once improperly influenced the outcome of a game?
Want to throw out anymore Straw Man arguments?
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:39 pm to LSU
I'm not sure who is correct. The OP's first post sounded good, but he didn't give good replies to the people that shot him down.
I wouldn't be surprised if some people believe anything that sounds good because they want to believe it wasn't the officiating. It's not fun to have to complain about the officiating or to see others do it.
I wouldn't be surprised if some people believe anything that sounds good because they want to believe it wasn't the officiating. It's not fun to have to complain about the officiating or to see others do it.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:40 pm to King Joey
to say that the refs didnt have at least a little bit of a part of the outcome is just you trying to act like a badass
the refs were as bad today as they were yesterday in our favor against uk
that being said, we played fricking TERRIBLE, and i dont even know how it was as close as it was
the refs were as bad today as they were yesterday in our favor against uk
that being said, we played fricking TERRIBLE, and i dont even know how it was as close as it was
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:40 pm to Ron Mexico
the refs weren't great, but we got away with our fair share of scrappy play down low
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:41 pm to moneyg
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I'm not one to blame refs for the loss. I generally hate bitching and complaining about calls because in every game you are going to get bad calls...refs just won't get it right sometimes.
But, there really seemed to be a large number of shoves in the back under the goal by Mississippi State. That should be an automatic foul that was consistently not called. I watched that game seeing LSU players getting pushed away from loose balls and rebounds with no calls being made.
And at the end of the game, Mississippi State had 25+ free throws to our 9.
I don't think it was the only reason we lost. We could have still won had we had any production from the perimeter. But the referees deserve criticism for this game.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:41 pm to Ron Mexico
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to say that the refs didnt have at least a little bit of a part of the outcome is just you trying to act like a badass
Or its them dumping the ball down low all game and us taking jump shots.
At the end of the game when we did drive we got to the foul line .... and conveniently kept hitting 1 of 2.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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fair share of scrappy play down low
not in the 2nd half when it matterd
that being said, we shouldnt have put ourselves in that situation
why our smallest starter is trying to continually go inside was beyond me
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the refs weren't great, but we got away with our fair share of scrappy play down low
SFP, seriously .. quit posting. I'm agreeing with you too much and it just feels weird.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:43 pm to BgwinLSU
quote:Want to make an argument that isn't based on the automatic assumption that the refs did not influence any aspect of the game? Saying, "it was because we shot 31%" only works if you've already bought into the assumption that the 31% wasn't due to the bullshite calls. So, make an argument for how there weren't bullshite calls or that the bullshite calls over the course of the game did not impact the outcome. Anything else is just presumptive reasoning and not an argument at all, not even a straw man one.
Want to throw out anymore Straw Man arguments?
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:47 pm to BgwinLSU
BGwin, your response is typical of those who want to look at everything but the officiating when offering a reason for defeat, but unfortunately officiating does figure in the outcome of most games, and today officiating did a lot to defeat the Tigers. Especially down low, and especially Varnado on both ends was allowed to do whatever he wanted to do, with the refs help!!
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:48 pm to King Joey
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Want to make an argument that isn't based on the automatic assumption that the refs did not influence any aspect of the game?
I don't know if you've watched sports previously before this game, but refs impact every game. The people on here crying about them is ridiculous b/c the impact they may have made had zero bearing on the outcome of the game .... and you can go back and read my first post on why i think that.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:48 pm to BgwinLSU
BgwinLSU, did you watch the game?
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:51 pm to Matthew LeDoux
Do you always ask stupid questions?
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:51 pm to tandyman
LSU plays better on offense and defense and we win, because we didn't play well to begin with; that is the point of Bgwin and others.
That doesn't change the fact that Miss St didn't play well either, and that the only real statistical disparity between the two teams involved the officiating.
If you want to make the argument that most of the calls were good calls, that is fine. (Although many would disagree.) But this game was easily decided by the blow whistle.
That doesn't change the fact that Miss St didn't play well either, and that the only real statistical disparity between the two teams involved the officiating.
If you want to make the argument that most of the calls were good calls, that is fine. (Although many would disagree.) But this game was easily decided by the blow whistle.
This post was edited on 3/14/09 at 2:55 pm
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