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re: It's NOT the officiating ....
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
after every basketball game when I come on here I feel as though I just watched an entirely different game then everyone else did. I rarely ever notice the refs but it seems that 90% of our fanbase is consumed by the refs every call
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:58 pm to TigerPhan27
You might say that our offense was terrible but it makes it harder for you to play well when the other team has wayyyyy more free throw attempts than you. It really brings down the team's morale. Not to mention knocking down a couple ft's can definitely help to get the offense going. I'm not saying officiating was why we lost but it definitely hurt our chances.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 2:59 pm to tmart2912
but why is it so hard to understand that teams who go to the goal more get to the FT line more than teams like LSU who shoot nothing but jump shots in the half court set?
Posted on 3/14/09 at 3:00 pm to BgwinLSU
quote:I did, and predictably it had zero bearing on the question of whether the officials impacted the outcome of the game. If one team's inside game destroys the other team, that does not itself suggest either way on the officiating issue. It could simply be that the one team's inside players made superior, clean plays all game long that dominated the opposing team's players. It could be that the one team's inside players used hard contact and fouls to prevent the other team from scoring inside and to make scoring moves on offense while the other team was consistently whistled for fouls whenever there was any contact. It could be some of both. But the mere fact (or observation) that one team's inside game destroyed the other team has no bearing on whether the officiating impacted the outcome of the game. If you want to make your commentary relevant to the officiating question, then describe how you observed MSU's inside play destroying us without there being any unbalanced calling by the refs. You could start by describing how each of Varnado's 7 blocks were achieved without legal contact, and then perhaps move on to how his two-hand checking and grabbing of Chris Johnson's jersey should not have been a foul, when all of our contact on Varnado was worthy of the foul calls. Stuff like that makes relevant commentary. "We shot poorly" and "they destroyed us inside", etc., does not. Those are all things that can themselves be impacted by the officiating, so their mere existence has not probative value.
and you can go back and read my first post on why i think that
Posted on 3/14/09 at 3:01 pm to Dignan
If LSU does not make foul shots they won't win in tourny, PERIOD!
Posted on 3/14/09 at 3:02 pm to TigerPhan27
quote:
but why is it so hard to understand that teams who go to the goal more get to the FT line more than teams like LSU who shoot nothing but jump shots in the half court set?
penetrate
Posted on 3/14/09 at 3:06 pm to Tigercat
quote:That has always been one of the most frustrating tendencies of fans, especially here on the rant. They always seem to lock on to one thing that they decide was "the difference" in the game and nothing else can be a factor. I do not understand how people can watch sports for so long and not grasp that essentially every single game in every single sport has several things involved that are each, individually, "the difference."
LSU plays better on offense and defense and we win, because we didn't play well to begin with; that is the point of Bgwin and others.
If there are 20 factors in a game that ends in a one point victory, and 7 of those factors had an impact of 2 points or more, each of those 7 factors made "the difference" in that game. Is that really a difficult concept to grasp?
Yes, our poor shooting -- whether related to officiating or not -- was "the difference" in the game. Our interior defense was also "the difference". The officiating (good or bad) was also "the difference." Several other things were also "the difference."
Posted on 3/14/09 at 3:10 pm to TigerPhan27
quote:Really? That's strange, because they stopped play over 50 times in the game today. I'd think you'd notice them doing that fairly regularly. You might want to get that checked out.
I rarely ever notice the refs
Posted on 3/14/09 at 4:41 pm to BgwinLSU
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The people on here crying about them is ridiculous b/c the impact they may have made had zero bearing on the outcome of the game
I disagree with that. And, I think LSU was on the short end of the officiating in this game.
I do not think it was the only reason we lost, and I do not think that the officiating took any chance of LSU winning away. But, it played a much bigger part than you are willing to admit.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 4:51 pm to TigerPhan27
MSU is a jump shot team too, and we drove to the goal just as much as they did if not more
Posted on 3/14/09 at 5:02 pm to BgwinLSU
The sad and scary part of this thread is that King Joey actually subscribes to the theory that there is some kind of conspiracy against LSU sports teams carried out by the officials. I've read his posts before and he really believes there are subversive elements in our society that conspire to make sure LSU loses games - not just basketball, but football and baseball, also. Of course, he never offers any sound evidence for how and why this occurs and why LSU sports teams are singled out.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 5:03 pm to TrojaninLV
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The sad and scary part of this thread is that King Joey actually subscribes to the theory that there is some kind of conspiracy against LSU sports teams carried out by the officials. I've read his posts before and he really believes there are subversive elements in our society that conspire to make sure LSU loses games - not just basketball, but football and baseball, also. Of course, he never offers any sound evidence for how and why this occurs and why LSU sports teams are singled out.
link? Or, should I just assume you are pulling this out of your arse?
Posted on 3/14/09 at 5:10 pm to moneyg
Link? Are you reading this thread or just picking out the SoCal fan to respond to? Maybe you can find someone to explain to you what King Joey is saying.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 5:13 pm to TigerBait1127
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MSU is a jump shot team too, and we drove to the goal just as much as they did if not more
I thought, although Thornton was not on his usual game, he was getting bumped/fouled by the man he beat just about every time before he would take it inside and have his shot blocked or altered.
On the other hand, I don't like the way Spencer has played the last two games. He's penetrating out of control, too deep into 2 or 3 big guys, falling down as he throws up a prayer hoping a foul is called. Then he's on the floor and the other team is in transition.
That is a recipe for 1) not getting calls on offense.. and 2) getting fouls called on defense.
I got no problem with Thornton taking it all the way... because he typically finishes even when he looks out of control, but he just was off and didn't get the calls often or early today. Spence needs to get back to his game and draw the defenders, pull up and dish the ball.... and when the defense sags, then shoot the open 3.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 5:16 pm to BgwinLSU
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It's NOT the officiating ....
dude...
Posted on 3/14/09 at 5:41 pm to BgwinLSU
When the other team's big can post up between the block and RIM, you are done! Johnson is 14Karat finesse...stronger players move him all over the place.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 6:01 pm to BgwinLSU
Strange how I never hear the winners whining about how terrible the officiating was...
Posted on 3/14/09 at 6:37 pm to sml71
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Strange how I never hear the winners whining about how terrible the officiating was...
Why would they?
It's not whining to make specific observations about a game, where the "style" of officiating does not favor your team. I think we need to get back to what we've been doing, sans the last 4 games... and the officiating issue will take care of itself.
Whining does no good..... our Coach and Team adjusting to the style of officiating and getting back to playing within themselves will help ourselves... help ourselves even with the officiating.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 6:40 pm to LA007
Anyone who knows anything about basketball will tell you that players can never blame the refs for a loss. However, the refereeing in the game today was about as bad as you will see on this level of competition. The SEC really should consider finding better, younger, quicker officals who can keep up with the game better.
Posted on 3/14/09 at 6:47 pm to BulkLogan1
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Anyone who knows anything about basketball will tell you that players can never blame the refs for a loss. However, let me go ahead and blame the refs...
Fixed it for ya'!
Anyone who knows anything about basketball will tell you that players can never blame the refs for a loss. However, let me go ahead and blame the refs...
Fixed it for ya'!
This post was edited on 3/14/09 at 6:48 pm
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