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re: Isn't 80% a low 'B' ?
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:46 pm to Phil Wong
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:46 pm to Phil Wong
If you're going to measure out coaches in this manner then at least give us a list of coaches who are A's. I have a feeling the list will be pretty short considering it will consist of exactly 0 names.
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:46 pm to ballscaster
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ballscaster
as a matter of fact you are not even worthy of a response anymore with plenty others. You just keep dribbling all over yourself.
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:47 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Lotta real dumb stuff being said in this thread.
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:47 pm to RB10
You don't have to score an A to be better than Miles.
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:47 pm to Prominentwon
quote:
, I'm almost to the point I hope the lose just so you guys can suffer
yeah thats real positive
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:48 pm to Geauxgurt
In November of 2011, three SEC teams were ranked 1, 2, and 3 in the BCS. That's not a down year.
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:48 pm to Phil Wong
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You don't have to score an A to be better than Miles.
No, but I'm just going by your grading scale. Why don't you go ahead and list the coaches who grade out higher than him on your scale and then we can really get into this discussion.
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:48 pm to Fat Bastard
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next thing is this guy will say he makes quadruple what i do, is more successful than me in business, is a better investor than us, yada, yada, yada. i like how he puts words in people's mouths.
Hmmn, why don't i see him on the money board then? Telling us of his successes?
oh and i almost forgot, i will also bet he has pumped way more money than us into this LSU program over the years as well.
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:50 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:This.
once again, you do not know jack shite about football,cannot rebutt anything said, so you make assumptions about others in other areas.
It's fricking lame when his whole argument is distraction.
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:51 pm to sammyptiger
If I see this correctly, what the 80% represents is possibly a win-loss record. If this is LM's "exam," then his year-to-year scores (W-L) would be cumulative and possibly show reliability and validity. However, Les Miles was not hired totally on a win-loss exam score, but on how well his job performance appeared to be. Every job has a task analysis, where someone interviews numerous people in the field (often called subject-matter experts, or SMEs). The analyst breaks down the tasks, clusters them, and organizes them into a master task list. Following is a training task list, then the tasks are placed into a hierarchy, with the terminal tasks at the top (in a Top-Down Hierarchy). The resulting tree is then articulated into learning objectives, and then test items are derived from the tasks. If a test is given to a group, and the scores are compared with each other, it is called a norm-referenced test. Sometimes these tests in colleges are based on the content and not on the task analysis. This is the type of test many fans use to compare their coach with another--and it is perhaps the one used for the 80%. However, another type of test--a criterion-referenced test--looks at each task and determines if it is mastered. There are a lot of tasks that are involved in coaching, and my question is 'Who grades the coach on the mastery of objectives like recruiting, staying out of moral turpitude, dealing fairly with players and rightly with the media, disciplining players, and a host of other things. In this respect, winning and losing is just of the things that makes a coach a good coach and master. I see a coach as more than just a person who only wins and loses at games, but in doing the job of a coach. Oh, perhaps if you are going to lump Les Miles or any other coach in a norm-referenced array, why can't we add politicians to the melee?
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:51 pm to Prominentwon
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you would have no problem hiring Lane Kiffin, correct
Kiffin failed at USC, loaded with talent so no.
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:51 pm to Doyle McPoyle
quote:Lotta sidewalk fans doing everything they can to bash our school.
Lotta real dumb stuff being said in this thread.
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:52 pm to Manky
quote:
If I see this correctly, what the 80% represents is possibly a win-loss record. If this is LM's "exam," then his year-to-year scores (W-L) would be cumulative and possibly show reliability and validity. However, Les Miles was not hired totally on a win-loss exam score, but on how well his job performance appeared to be. Every job has a task analysis, where someone interviews numerous people in the field (often called subject-matter experts, or SMEs). The analyst breaks down the tasks, clusters them, and organizes them into a master task list. Following is a training task list, then the tasks are placed into a hierarchy, with the terminal tasks at the top (in a Top-Down Hierarchy). The resulting tree is then articulated into learning objectives, and then test items are derived from the tasks. If a test is given to a group, and the scores are compared with each other, it is called a norm-referenced test. Sometimes these tests in colleges are based on the content and not on the task analysis. This is the type of test many fans use to compare their coach with another--and it is perhaps the one used for the 80%. However, another type of test--a criterion-referenced test--looks at each task and determines if it is mastered. There are a lot of tasks that are involved in coaching, and my question is 'Who grades the coach on the mastery of objectives like recruiting, staying out of moral turpitude, dealing fairly with players and rightly with the media, disciplining players, and a host of other things. In this respect, winning and losing is just of the things that makes a coach a good coach and master. I see a coach as more than just a person who only wins and loses at games, but in doing the job of a coach. Oh, perhaps if you are going to lump Les Miles or any other coach in a norm-referenced array, why can't we add politicians to the melee?
I am not sure what all this means, but I will agree with you if it will help.
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:52 pm to Phil Wong
But we put up 48 Furman!!!!#
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:53 pm to Phil Wong
I'm still waiting for that list of higher graded coaches on your winning percentage based grading scale.
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:54 pm to Prominentwon
quote:You've got the wrong idea. They secretly love the losses more than the wins.
I'm almost to the point I hope the lose just so you guys can suffer
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:55 pm to ballscaster
quote:No one is bashing LSU man.
Lotta sidewalk fans doing everything they can to bash our school.
LSU over Miles, Saban, individual sports.
How can you not separate your arguments?
Is it that LSU alums should abandon LSU because they don't agree with the direction of the football program?
Is it anyone that criticizes the status quo is somehow unworthy of their disagreement?
Explain it to me.
Otherwise, I just think you are a knuckle dragger.
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:56 pm to Manky
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Kiffin failed at USC, loaded with talent so no.
You just posted that only talent wins and coaching has nothing to do with it. That's what you insinuated when you said it was the talent at LSU, not Les.
So again, if it's just talent, then it shouldn't matter who the coach is on the sideline.
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:56 pm to sammyptiger
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In November of 2011, three SEC teams were ranked 1, 2, and 3 in the BCS. That's not a down year.
That honestly was a product of how bad the other sides of the SEC were outside of those 3.
Arky had 2 wins against ranked teams, and thier best win in the regular season came against USCe that finished the season #20 and lost to the two other teams that finished ranked both by 24 points.
Their wins were equivalent to a Big XII schedule.
Posted on 10/26/13 at 9:56 pm to Fat Bastard
and since i did not go to college specifically at LSU, i guess i should not be a supporter anymore right?
This post was edited on 10/26/13 at 9:57 pm
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