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re: Is there anyone here....
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:03 pm to TheBatman
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:03 pm to TheBatman
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'08 was his first time actually playing when it counts
Do you realize he was on the team the year before and got to go through pratices and drills...its not the same as a true freshman.
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Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:06 pm to Prominentwon
I don't think he would repeat it, but I don't feel he would light it up. The Tech game is fresh in my mind, if he struggled against Tech, how will he do against Florida, Alabama, etc.
He has a high ceiling and a low floor and seems to be at one or the other, never staying at one consitently
He has a high ceiling and a low floor and seems to be at one or the other, never staying at one consitently
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:07 pm to More beer please
oh no shite.. so he played in a bunch of games that year, right? IT WAS HIS FIRST YEAR PLAYING GAMES THAT MATTERED 
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:08 pm to TheBatman
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IT WAS HIS FIRST YEAR PLAYING GAMES THAT MATTERED
Not when you are defining him as a freshman. I know game snaps are huge but you cant ignore the fact he actually had a year under his belt with the players coaches practices and offense.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:15 pm to More beer please
never said he was true fresh. i said he was young and not ready. given a RS fresh should have a little edge on a true fresh but its not nearly as much as you think. when youre 19-20 yr old leading a team in front 92,000+ goodpeople in TS, no practice can simulate that and get u prepared to handle that.
This post was edited on 6/17/10 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:15 pm to More beer please
It’s not that Lee can’t improve, it’s just that it’s a completely different thing than JJ. JJ is a young player, slowly improving. He put up numbers similar to McElroy last season, and that team did okay for itself. It doesn’t take a huge leap to expect JJ to keep progressing along the developmental curve as he simply learns more about the position.
Lee doesn’t need to improve per se, what he needs to do is get over a traumatic experience. Unlike JJ, he doesn’t need to simply continue on the developmental curve, Lee needs to get past a trauma. Every time he throws a pick, he relives that trauma. And he doesn’t seem like he has found a way to cope with that truly scarring freshman year.
If people can’t see the difference between the two QB’s situations as it relates to expected improvement, then they are just trying to not understand.
Lee doesn’t need to improve per se, what he needs to do is get over a traumatic experience. Unlike JJ, he doesn’t need to simply continue on the developmental curve, Lee needs to get past a trauma. Every time he throws a pick, he relives that trauma. And he doesn’t seem like he has found a way to cope with that truly scarring freshman year.
If people can’t see the difference between the two QB’s situations as it relates to expected improvement, then they are just trying to not understand.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:18 pm to Baloo
"JJ is a young player, slowly improving. He put up numbers similar to McElroy last season, and that team did okay for itself."
come on man, this is turribull
come on man, this is turribull
This post was edited on 6/17/10 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:21 pm to Baloo
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It’s not that Lee can’t improve, it’s just that it’s a completely different thing than JJ. JJ is a young player, slowly improving. He put up numbers similar to McElroy last season, and that team did okay for itself. It doesn’t take a huge leap to expect JJ to keep progressing along the developmental curve as he simply learns more about the position. Lee doesn’t need to improve per se, what he needs to do is get over a traumatic experience. Unlike JJ, he doesn’t need to simply continue on the developmental curve, Lee needs to get past a trauma. Every time he throws a pick, he relives that trauma. And he doesn’t seem like he has found a way to cope with that truly scarring freshman year.
The thing both these QBs need to succeed is a fan base that will get behind them and support them. This will build confidence and could help them both shake their problems
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:23 pm to TruLsu
word TruLsu word
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:24 pm to TheBatman
too bad with this fan base it will never happen
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:24 pm to TheBatman
Yes, terrible. How could I ever compare JJ's line of:
182/296 for 2166 yards, 17 TD, 7 INT, 61.5%
To McElroy's far superior line of:
198/325, 2508 yards, 17 TD, 4 INT, 60.9%.
Yes, those lines are COMPLETELY dissimilar. I can't believe I would think to compare the two depsite throwing the same number of TD's, a close number of picks, posting nearly identical percentages, and throwing for within 350 yards of each other - a difference explained mainly by the difference in passing attempts. Yes, what an absurd comparison.
182/296 for 2166 yards, 17 TD, 7 INT, 61.5%
To McElroy's far superior line of:
198/325, 2508 yards, 17 TD, 4 INT, 60.9%.
Yes, those lines are COMPLETELY dissimilar. I can't believe I would think to compare the two depsite throwing the same number of TD's, a close number of picks, posting nearly identical percentages, and throwing for within 350 yards of each other - a difference explained mainly by the difference in passing attempts. Yes, what an absurd comparison.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:24 pm to Baloo
sacks: sabans bitch=18
JJ= 34
JJ= 34
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:28 pm to Baloo
dude just stop. dont try to compare JJ to McElroy
a person with any football in their head knows numbers can be deceiving. show me where McE ran his team -13 yards back in three plays in a game
a person with any football in their head knows numbers can be deceiving. show me where McE ran his team -13 yards back in three plays in a game
This post was edited on 6/17/10 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:29 pm to Baloo
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"JJ is a young player, slowly improving. He put up numbers similar to McElroy last season, and that team did okay for itself."
You do realize McElroy is a very very average to crappy QB don't you? McElroy is proof stats mean nothing.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You do realize McElroy is a very very average to crappy QB don't you? McElroy is proof stats mean nothing.
I mean he won the national title with 58 yards passing. It was their aggressive defense and solid running game that he was able to hide behind... McElroy is serviceable at best
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:39 pm to Prominentwon
I think Lee would be a lot better than his RS Fr year
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:42 pm to More beer please
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your the dumbass
interesting.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:48 pm to TheBatman
How DARE I bring facts into the discussion? My bad. Let's just continue making loud noises.
JJ's numbers are not eye popping, but they are also not wince inducing. He performed like a league-average, ball control QB. I'd like him to do more, but to argue that he is this lost cause that is destined to suck is just not backed up by what actually happened.
I'd like JJ to be further along the developmental curve, but has been progressing. I'm not completely unhappy with his production. Obviously, there is room to improve, but I see no reason why I shouldn't expect imrpvoement, seeing that most players DO improve as they play more. Expereince matters.
JJ's numbers are not eye popping, but they are also not wince inducing. He performed like a league-average, ball control QB. I'd like him to do more, but to argue that he is this lost cause that is destined to suck is just not backed up by what actually happened.
I'd like JJ to be further along the developmental curve, but has been progressing. I'm not completely unhappy with his production. Obviously, there is room to improve, but I see no reason why I shouldn't expect imrpvoement, seeing that most players DO improve as they play more. Expereince matters.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:52 pm to TruLsu
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quote:
You do realize McElroy is a very very average to crappy QB don't you? McElroy is proof stats mean nothing.
I mean he won the national title with 58 yards passing. It was their aggressive defense and solid running game that he was able to hide behind... McElroy is serviceable at best
Very true. I think JJ has more talent than McElroy. Like Lee, the situation got in his head last year.
With proper coaching both JJ and Lee have the ability to be better than McElroy.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 4:56 pm to More beer please
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More beer please
this guy really dislikes JL.
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