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Is loss to Bama a reflection on moffitt?

Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:36 pm
Posted by GeauxLSU4
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:36 pm
With the way Bama dominated the trenches, I'm wondering why no one places blame at the feet of coach moffitt. They seem to be more physical than us most of the time we play and we seem overmatched from a strength standpoint. I've seen everyone else blamed for this loss, just wondering what others think
Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
27720 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:37 pm to
Think it is part of it. Bama seemed like the more physical team to me and it's not even close.
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
123590 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:38 pm to
Our teams always seem to be lean and fast while Bama is yoked and fast.
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38215 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:40 pm to
It's because of who Chavis recruited on defense.

Offensive line has no excuse for how they performed though.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
44541 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:42 pm to
I've seen Moffitt blamed/ questioned. in fact, I've seen some form of blame levied at:

- Les
- Cam
- Steele
- Grimes
- Moffitt
- Peveto
- BBQ
- Chavis
- Brick
- Chavis & Brick simultaneously
- Stud
- recruiting in general
- the recruiting of dual threat QBs
- Fournette
- the defense
- the Oline

waiting to get blamed
- Ensiminger
- Saban (for leaving after Spurrier was hired at SC in 04)
- Jordan Jefferson
- T-Bob
- Dinardo
- Obama
Posted by MC5601
Tyler, Texas
Member since Jan 2010
3886 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:43 pm to
Their offensive and defensive line and linebackers are more highly recruited and all around better players. No slight on us but they are simply more physically gifted athletes. We recruit well at the skill positions and match them toe to toe at defensive back, running back, reviever but we really need to step it up on defensive line and linebackers.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:46 pm to
Moffitt is the golden child
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:48 pm to
quote:

we seem overmatched from a strength standpoint


It's more a reflection of the quality of the players they have been able to recruit vs the players we have been able to recruit, especially in the trenches. They've been able to land a lot more of the bigger stronger faster 5 star type O&D lineman and linebackers than we have.

I don't know how much juicing you can do in college these days but I'm sure we are both doing as much as you can get by with in that area as well. Maybe we can step up our game more in that area if possible, not sure.

We do have a good recruiting class going right now. Need to finish it out strong and string together 2=3 more like it to even it up in the trenches.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 9:51 pm
Posted by lsuson
Metairie
Member since Oct 2013
12129 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:55 pm to
You can't be serious? Does moffitt call running plays into a brick wall over and over again expecting a different result? He builds them up, he doesn't coach them up or call the plays.
Posted by NewMoneyTrash
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2015
1384 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:57 pm to



......welp
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 1:29 am
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83927 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:59 pm to
Lester Earl has already made me feel better about the situation.
Posted by GeauxLSU4
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2012
10520 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:12 pm to
I'm not upset with him at all. He's one of the best in the business. I'm just curious what everyone thinks in terms of the way we lost the trench war and seem to lose to them most years we play
Posted by namvet6566
Member since Oct 2012
6696 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:14 pm to
NO. It is on a very good man but only a good coach, cannot adapt period

Posted by Tigerik
Franklin, TN
Member since Mar 2007
1621 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:20 pm to
Dude they sarted 13 seniors and we started 4. With age comes strength and size, and experience and all three showed on the field Saturday night.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
24263 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:21 pm to
We haven't scored more than 17 points on Bama or had one 20-yard run on them in the last SIX games. We have scheme/play calling issues against Bama.

Every other team in the West has posted 20 on them at least once in that same time frame and Ole Miss, Auburn and a&m have posted 20+ on them multiple times and have each beat them in the last four years.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:41 pm to
We all do about the same things these days and Moffit is on the cutting edge of it. The lifting part of the S&C program is all about explosive power. There probably isn't any real significant differences between the two programs.

Maybe some players flat bench barbell press numbers haven't gone up as much as they wanted it to but that type of lift really just isn't emphasized as much as it use to be back in the old days
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278171 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:46 pm to
quote:

defensive line and linebackers are more highly recruited and all around better players.



well, they have a different scheme with the best defensive coach maybe at any level of football.

they are 3-4 based, they recruit different sized players for their front 7 than what we do. That's why they are huge.


It's not so much recruits as it is scheme and coaching. And depth, of course, which we lack in our front 7.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278171 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

There probably isn't any real significant differences between the two programs.


on top of that, Cochran was the S&C at University lab 98-01, then 01-04 was on staff at LSU. Moffitt started at LSU in 2000. Do people think that Moffitt wasn't a direct mentor to Scott? That Cochran and Moffitt both dont have ties to John Curtis Christian?


do people think its just coincidence that Saban dipped back into a guy that worked under Moffitt and around LSU? Or a coincidence that Cochran has a 4th Quarter program like Moffitt had at LSU?


Look, a guy like Cochran just doesn't go to a school like Alabama and start all new shite. He takes what learns along the way, what he knows wins championships. and uses most of the same tools. Maybe he has his own little twist to it(ie the yelling), but its mostly the same. The same way any normal person gets job training or hobby training. They hope to learn from the best in order to be the best themselves. And they put their own little twist on it, but mainly they keep what is known to be successful.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:38 pm to
No. It's a reflection on Chavis' defensive philosophy and having little to no depth in the fromt 7. He was willing to sacrifice size for speed. Chavis has always stressed team speed on D. In the last few years, we've only had 1 DL that was very big and that was Brockers, who was a DE coming out of high school. Godchaux, Lac, Bennie Logan, Ego, Anthony Johnson, Drake Nevis, and even Dorsey were all smaller DTs who would have been DEs at Alabama. And our DEs have been smaller than their LBers for the most part as well. And we've had LBers that barely tip the scales at 230lbs. Doesn't mean they aren't good or can't play. But when you have very little depth in the front 7 and you are going agaiant a team that is big, strong, and physical... Sometimes you can't stop them.

Our S&C is fine. It's just the guys Chavis liked for his D. He stressed speed and was willing to give up some size in the front 7. We've recruited and signed players that fit that mold. Saban wants size and power in his front 7 and has recruited players that fit that mold. Look at how big his players were coming out of high school. They were already big in the first place. Not like they are getting these light players and bulking them up 100lbs. They were already big to start out with.

Go look at the DLman and LBers that Bama has signed the past few years and compare it with ours. Just to name a few... A'Shawn Robinson was 6'4 320lbs coming out of high school. Reggie Ragland was 6'4 245lbs. Ryan Anderson was 6'3 250lbs. DeShawn Hand was 6'3 260lbs. I could go on and on, but you get the point.

And that's also a big factor why Bama has been susceptible to spread style teams.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 11:46 pm
Posted by reauxl tigers7
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
1139 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:50 am to
It starts with recruiting. Coach Moffitt is the best there is. He turned Guice from a man child into a fully grown man in a matter of months.
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