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re: Is JJ's upside enough to contend for an SEC championship?
Posted on 9/9/10 at 6:44 pm to Slim
Posted on 9/9/10 at 6:44 pm to Slim
quote:Funny. . .I remember the EXACT same complaint about Flynn.
Were you at the Game? Many times I saw receivers open and JJ looked at his primary receiver. Also, he would run with the ball instead of hanging in the pocket.
People just remember him differently. Make no mistake, he and JJ are 2 different QB's, but the same things were said about him in the BCSCG year..
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Posted on 9/9/10 at 6:45 pm to therocketscientist
quote:Why does Crowton continue to call the screen when JJ cannot run the screen. Why not let Shepherd run the screen?
The thing JJ needs to do to be on the same level is run the option and throw the bubble screen effectively. So far, he has not been able to do so. I hope by mid season we can say that he has learned to do so effectively. In the Crowton offense, these 2 plays are make or break for the offense.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 6:47 pm to Roaad
quote:Don't even compare Flynn and JJ.
Funny. . .I remember the EXACT same complaint about Flynn.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 6:47 pm to Slim
quote:JJ runs the RB screen quite well.
Why does Crowton continue to call the screen when JJ cannot run the screen. Why not let Shepherd run the screen?
It is the bubble screen he can't run. . .he has too long a release to run it. Which is why Crowton no longer calls it.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 6:48 pm to therocketscientist
No!!
Posted on 9/9/10 at 6:49 pm to Roaad
quote:
Do you even realize how close we were to Atlanta last year?
Seven hours, by car. Three games, by standings. Neither is close.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 6:50 pm to Slim
quote:Why? They were statistically comparable.
Don't even compare Flynn and JJ.
And all of your criticisms were the exact same criticisms people had with Flynn. . .people just forgot, I guess.
-Locks on to his primary
-Stares down his receiver
-Runs instead of staying in the pocket
-Runs too often
It could be 2007 all over again.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 6:51 pm to justustm2
quote:
Actually he IS a 2nd year starting SEC QB with a winning record (5-3) in SEC games started.
Didn't he start in 9 SEC games? Arkansas '08 and all eight in '09? He's 5-4 in SEC games started, isn't he?
Posted on 9/9/10 at 6:52 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:We very nearly beat both Bama and Ole Miss.
Three games, by standings. Neither is close.
I understand it is the coulda woulda shoulda. . .but it was not outside the realm of possibility.
The question was whether JJ was good enough to get us to the SECCG. And, based on last year, the answer is obviously yes.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 6:53 pm to Roaad
quote:Biggest difference: Flynn started only one year and won a NC, JJ is working on his second year starting and hasn't won anything.
Why? They were statistically comparable. And all of your criticisms were the exact same criticisms people had with Flynn. . .people just forgot, I guess. -Locks on to his primary -Stares down his receiver -Runs instead of staying in the pocket -Runs too often It could be 2007 all over again.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 6:56 pm to Roaad
quote:
It is the bubble screen he can't run. . .he has too long a release to run it. Which is why Crowton no longer calls it.
The screen and bubble screen are nearly essential aspects of a fully loaded Crowton attack, so it concerns me greatly why high priority has not been placed in fixing this.
There are 2 reasons why he has not yet been able to execute this variance to the offensive scheme..1) His release is comparably slow, and 2) JJ is ultra gun shy for a pick or pick-6, which are more in scope for screens passes than for any other pass.
Get this fixed coaches !!!
Posted on 9/9/10 at 7:11 pm to cubsgrace
quote:
yes, but the defense and running game need to kick arse.
Receivers too—they're gonna have to have Josh Reed hands and catch everything thrown to them. No disrespect to Jefferson, but he's not a guy who can carry a game like Tebow or McCoy or Stafford, etc. Everyone's gonna have to do their part for us to get to the game in Atlanta.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 7:30 pm to Slim
quote:And Flynn had a much better running game and defense.
Biggest difference: Flynn started only one year and won a NC, JJ is working on his second year starting and hasn't won anything.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 7:32 pm to therocketscientist
quote:Maybe the same reason none of our QB's seem to develop as fast as in years past. Lack of a competent QB coach.
it concerns me greatly why high priority has not been placed in fixing this.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 7:53 pm to cggeaxtigers
"he'll be fine"
Holy Mantra of the Sunshine Pumper
"15 for 21"
Easy to do when 90% of your passes are 5 yards or less. We have no intermediate passing game. (Yet) Will it develop? Can JJ be an S.E.C. West/ S.E.C. Championship calibur QB? Never say never, but all signs point to NO. He has to learn how to read defenses and not panic under pressure. Don't know if he can process information quickly enough. Can't coach that. Either you can or you can't. The jury is still out and the Judge (L.S.U. Fans/Alums) want a verdict.........
Holy Mantra of the Sunshine Pumper
"15 for 21"
Easy to do when 90% of your passes are 5 yards or less. We have no intermediate passing game. (Yet) Will it develop? Can JJ be an S.E.C. West/ S.E.C. Championship calibur QB? Never say never, but all signs point to NO. He has to learn how to read defenses and not panic under pressure. Don't know if he can process information quickly enough. Can't coach that. Either you can or you can't. The jury is still out and the Judge (L.S.U. Fans/Alums) want a verdict.........
Posted on 9/9/10 at 8:06 pm to therocketscientist
It's only people who blame JJ for Crowton's incompetence that question JJs ability while often suggesting at the same time that JL, who completed a mere 40 percent of his passes last season, should be the starter over JJ, and never mind the fact that JJ was 15 for 21 for 151 yards and 2 touchdown passes last Saturday including a beautiful 51 yard pass to RR, he still gets the blame for Crowton's incompetence. 
Posted on 9/9/10 at 8:20 pm to therocketscientist
I agree with improvement executing the bubble screen but not the option. I believe the option needs to be removed or ran with different personnel on the field. The option seldom works for us and also invites someone to knock JJ out of the game. We would be in serious trouble if this happens. We need to keep things comfortable for JJ. Scrap that damn option. Just my opinion but i get your overall point.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 8:39 pm to Dead Fish
quote:
Saturday including a beautiful 51 yard pass to RR, he still gets the blame for Crowton's incompetence.
I think most people recognize that neither are excellent, and that together they do not combine well. Crowton insists on a strategy that does not suit JJ, and JJ cannot learn how to run the option and throw the bubble screen...it is a constraining formula.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 8:53 pm to therocketscientist
quote:
I think most people recognize that neither are excellent, and that together they do not combine well. Crowton insists on a strategy that does not suit JJ, and JJ cannot learn how to run the option and throw the bubble screen...it is a constraining formula.
And you of course base this only on last Saturday's game when JJ ran the option far better than he previously did last season and when JJ hit 15 of 21 passes for 2 touchdowns. Your insights are just brilliant.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 9:05 pm to Dead Fish
quote:
And you of course base this only on last Saturday's game when JJ ran the option far better than he previously did last season and when JJ hit 15 of 21 passes for 2 touchdowns. Your insights are just brilliant
You are ultra sensitive and protective over this JJ thing. You only point out the good, while others are objective and point out both sides. 153 yards production, regardless of the completion percentage is just not good. And no, his option capability is not appreciably improved. His pocket presence improved, yes. His ability to hang in the pocket and deliver the ball, yes. Especially when Mitch Joseph barely held his block on the nice pass to Randle. His decisiveness improved, yes. His ability to avoid the sack, yes.
Try being balanced, will you?
This post was edited on 9/9/10 at 9:07 pm
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