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Is Crowton to Miles like Tepper was to Dinardo?
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:25 pm
Miles is going to go down because of Crowton. A bad hire that leads to a sinking ship that the head coach seems stubborn to fix. Strangely similar don't you think?
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:30 pm to TopWaterTiger
I have a feeling Les is about to take the bull by the horns with the offense.
If he goes down it will be on his own accord.
If he goes down it will be on his own accord.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:31 pm to TopWaterTiger
They've been sloppy and undisciplined since day one with Jimbo. GC and his annually sliding stats that you can set your fricking watch to doesn't help, but he's far from "the problem."
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:32 pm to TopWaterTiger
here you go from spring of 2009. It was about JJ and JL debate, but buried in there is a line or 2 about GC. He has been the issue for 2 years.
I was murdered on here for posting this.
LONG READ>
re: Here is what I learned about JL today (Posted on 3/14/09 at 10:32 p.m. to hotrod)
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No agenda. I just do not understand how blind people are on here. LSU averaged more points this past year than the previous. HOWEVER, we could not run the ball - meaning we were forced into throwing way more than we should have. The second reason was the obvious - LACK of defense. Everyone will agree those 2 are the most important components for winning championships. I am watching the '03 replays. That team was so solid on D and could run. They won games. They also had a 24 y/o QB - not a 19 y/o.
My point is Crowton needed to earn his pay. He should not have put the pressure on JL within their own 20 yard line like Gary Daniels said the minute before JL threw that pick. Again, there is no agenda - keep the pressure off of the QB and run the football consistently. That is as simple as I can state it.
re: Here is what I learned about JL today (Posted on 3/14/09 at 10:32 p.m. to hotrod)
re: Here is what I learned about JL today (Posted on 3/14/09 at 10:15 p.m. to mlttiger)
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Here is what I learned about JL today
Well the film study sounds logical b/c JL couldn't read any defensive set on any down. This was evident that if you watched JL last year you would notice that he was pretty effective when he his primary receiver was open, but he struggled and almost paniced when he was forced to look at his second receiver, or God forbid his third receiver. So his arse better be learning how to read defenses and study film or he will be playing at some multi-directional school in 2010
JL MAY start the season at #2, BUT will p1ay more than the others. LM felt "pressure" and forced himself to play JJ. Let's keep in mind the truth. The GENIUS OC Crowton was no better than AZZWIPE on CBS ANALYST CALLING the plays before they happened in ALL of those game! A change of pace would be more like it. JL WAS THE THIRD RATED QB GOING INTO LAST SPRING BEFORE THE RP CRAP! JR struggled during his tenure at LSU from lack of film study. GO look at Nicko's trust in his playing time. As most people would say, if the 2nd QB was better than the first, he would be playing. The injury situation to Hatch hurt him more than anything. Get real, JJ will NOT be able to run the ball if LSU Can't RUN the football. LAST YEAR WE SUCKED! That start's with Herman Johnson. He Sucked at Run Blocking. He won't sniff the field in the NFL unless he improves his footwork. We have to be able to run the rock. it is that simple. When Arkansas figured that out, they ate JJ up. He played about 3/4's total time that would win in the SEC last year. That is it. The SEC defenses will eat his lunch if he doesn't learn to read. just ask JL.
I was murdered on here for posting this.
LONG READ>
re: Here is what I learned about JL today (Posted on 3/14/09 at 10:32 p.m. to hotrod)
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No agenda. I just do not understand how blind people are on here. LSU averaged more points this past year than the previous. HOWEVER, we could not run the ball - meaning we were forced into throwing way more than we should have. The second reason was the obvious - LACK of defense. Everyone will agree those 2 are the most important components for winning championships. I am watching the '03 replays. That team was so solid on D and could run. They won games. They also had a 24 y/o QB - not a 19 y/o.
My point is Crowton needed to earn his pay. He should not have put the pressure on JL within their own 20 yard line like Gary Daniels said the minute before JL threw that pick. Again, there is no agenda - keep the pressure off of the QB and run the football consistently. That is as simple as I can state it.
re: Here is what I learned about JL today (Posted on 3/14/09 at 10:32 p.m. to hotrod)
re: Here is what I learned about JL today (Posted on 3/14/09 at 10:15 p.m. to mlttiger)
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Here is what I learned about JL today
Well the film study sounds logical b/c JL couldn't read any defensive set on any down. This was evident that if you watched JL last year you would notice that he was pretty effective when he his primary receiver was open, but he struggled and almost paniced when he was forced to look at his second receiver, or God forbid his third receiver. So his arse better be learning how to read defenses and study film or he will be playing at some multi-directional school in 2010
JL MAY start the season at #2, BUT will p1ay more than the others. LM felt "pressure" and forced himself to play JJ. Let's keep in mind the truth. The GENIUS OC Crowton was no better than AZZWIPE on CBS ANALYST CALLING the plays before they happened in ALL of those game! A change of pace would be more like it. JL WAS THE THIRD RATED QB GOING INTO LAST SPRING BEFORE THE RP CRAP! JR struggled during his tenure at LSU from lack of film study. GO look at Nicko's trust in his playing time. As most people would say, if the 2nd QB was better than the first, he would be playing. The injury situation to Hatch hurt him more than anything. Get real, JJ will NOT be able to run the ball if LSU Can't RUN the football. LAST YEAR WE SUCKED! That start's with Herman Johnson. He Sucked at Run Blocking. He won't sniff the field in the NFL unless he improves his footwork. We have to be able to run the rock. it is that simple. When Arkansas figured that out, they ate JJ up. He played about 3/4's total time that would win in the SEC last year. That is it. The SEC defenses will eat his lunch if he doesn't learn to read. just ask JL.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:33 pm to TopWaterTiger
When GC had a QB, offense was fine, he needs a QB to fit his system, and he doesn't have that.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:37 pm to LSU77
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When GC had a QB, offense was fine, he needs a QB to fit his system, and he doesn't have that.
THIS is total BS in my opinion. He had a mature Matt Flynn.
JJ is HIS guy. I know he didn't recruit JL, but still should have had him ready when RP went to shite.
Go back and see his stats from previous coaching days at Oregon and Utah. EVERY year was progressively worse even with his people in there. He is a one and done kind of coach. I stated this when we hired him and will stand by it.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:40 pm to TopWaterTiger
To answer the original question of this thread, yes.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:40 pm to LSU77
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When GC had a QB, offense was fine, he needs a QB to fit his system, and he doesn't have that
I agree that Crowton has not been "blessed" with great QB ability lately BUT does that give him the excuse to just run plays that DO NOT work over & over & over again? It is NO secret that LSU's QB position is very thin but a good OC wouldn't ask a QB to do things that he is not capable of or is not comfortable with. With the talent surrounding the QBs on this team at running back & reciever, a good OC should gameplan around the strengths & not force the QB into a system of plays that DO NOT WORK, ie. JJ running the option or being asked to check down 3 & 4 recievers. JJ is not capable of running a spread offense & he has NO feel for the option, why does Crowton insist on this being the ONLY identity he is willing to give this offense? I have always said that Crowton could be Coach Miles' Tepper if he doesn't handle the issue. After what I saw in the 2nd half last night, I think Coach Miles may have started "handeling" that issue.
G E A U X T I G E R S!!!
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:41 pm to LSU77
But why can't GC fit his system to the OB, that's what a good OC would do.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:43 pm to LSU77
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he needs a QB to fit his system
But that's the point- he doesn't have a QB for his system...so rather than change the offense for the QB's he does have, he continues to try & knock a square peg into a round one- that sounds to me like a man that needs to lose his job...I heard there were money issues with Crowton last year, which meant they would be reluctant to let him go; this year no excuses- he needs to go!!
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:46 pm to Tiger in Texas
Any how long do we wait before GC gets a QB to fit "his system"
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:51 pm to Tiger in Texas
I agree, he doesn't seem to be able to change his system to fit his talent. I also hate the way he calls a game. Way too many formations and he always ends up running the same plays out of different sets.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 2:56 pm to Jaketigger
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Go back and see his stats from previous coaching days at Oregon and Utah. EVERY year was progressively worse even with his people in there. He is a one and done kind of coach. I stated this when we hired him and will stand by it.
And you can look at this further by his stint in the pros with the Bears too. He has a history of being good for a year or two, then the defenses 'figure out' his schemes, & he becomes dead in the water, unable to regenerate his offensive playbook...
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:01 pm to TopWaterTiger
Miles will be given the opportunity to throw Crowton under the bus after this year, and he will do it. So in that sense, he won't be like Tepper.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:04 pm to Carlos
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Miles will be given the opportunity to throw Crowton under the bus after this year,
No, he won't have the chance. Either Les turns it around this year or his gone.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:14 pm to Lithium
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No, he won't have the chance. Either Les turns it around this year or his gone.
Which brings it back to my OP. Les should have sent Crowton packing after last season.
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:16 pm to LSU77
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When GC had a QB, offense was fine, he needs a QB
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:17 pm to Lithium
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No, he won't have the chance. Either Les turns it around this year or his gone.
I wish you were right, but I disagree. The powers that be, at LSU, are content with 4 loss seasons.
This post was edited on 9/12/10 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 9/12/10 at 3:42 pm to TopWaterTiger
Unlike Crowton and Flynn, I don't remember Tepper's defense setting any records, except the number of opposing quarterbacks getting mentioned for the Heisman.
Tepper and his drop linebacker made Quincy Carter a millionaire.
Tepper and his drop linebacker made Quincy Carter a millionaire.
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