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re: In defense of alleva. In an article a few minutes ago
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:53 am to bencoleman
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:53 am to bencoleman
What games? It's perfectly reasonable for Herman to want to hear what Texas had to say before signing his name officially to coach LSU. Worst case scenario, you wait a few hours and end up exactly were they did anyway. Every move Alleva makes puts a little more stink on this program.
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Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:53 am to copenhagen pete
if this is how it actually went down Alleva needs to be shown the door
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:53 am to bencoleman
Moscona is one of the biggest tools on local radio. He's been ranting about LSU being a top 5 job for months. Well apparently it isn't because two coaches just snubbed you and you hired the biggest 0 you could.
LSU just hired the second coming of CLM. He will win, but never win a NC. I seriously doubt he ever wins a conference championship. And LSU will plod along as a second tier program watching the top tier schools go to playoffs.
This is an absolute embarrassment to the university.
LSU just hired the second coming of CLM. He will win, but never win a NC. I seriously doubt he ever wins a conference championship. And LSU will plod along as a second tier program watching the top tier schools go to playoffs.
This is an absolute embarrassment to the university.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:55 am to copenhagen pete
So Alleva wanted Herman to accept without looking for comps? Alleva comes across as a shifty used-car salesman. Alleva wanted Herman to kiss the ring. Herman thought better of it. Herman was holding all the cards - Alleva didn't want to face that fact.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 11:57 am
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:55 am to bencoleman
Alleva was scared of looking more like a bargaining chip than he already did, so he decided to launch a pre-emptive strike, make a show of pulling the offer to prevent Herman from getting more money from UT, and attempt to look tough.
However, with his ace in the hole being O, he just comes off looking cheap and foolish. You stay in the game for at least the first round to see if he really does want more money from you, and really does like the idea of coaching in the SEC. If he comes back again after that, then go ahead and bail, because you have your answer.
However, making a hasty decision so you can hold a press conference today and try to maintain the appearance that "you got your man" is absolutely ridiculous. It makes us look worse, because EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT REALLY WENT DOWN. If that is the case, then at least stay in the game and go down sure that you had no chance. His faux toughness makes him look weaker and more ridiculous today than ever.
However, with his ace in the hole being O, he just comes off looking cheap and foolish. You stay in the game for at least the first round to see if he really does want more money from you, and really does like the idea of coaching in the SEC. If he comes back again after that, then go ahead and bail, because you have your answer.
However, making a hasty decision so you can hold a press conference today and try to maintain the appearance that "you got your man" is absolutely ridiculous. It makes us look worse, because EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT REALLY WENT DOWN. If that is the case, then at least stay in the game and go down sure that you had no chance. His faux toughness makes him look weaker and more ridiculous today than ever.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:56 am to 10888bge
quote:
fricking this. Herman/agent have no credible leverage to negotiate.
Yes they do LSU wanted Herman badly so did Texas, he had a choice. I think you call that leverage.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:56 am to copenhagen pete
OPs logic.
PowerBall tells OP he has winning ticket for the jackpot.
OP quits his job and buys a Ferrari on credit.
PowerBall says, "Hold please. We have to verify your ticket."
OP, "Go frick yourselves. Keep it. Im buying a scratchoff."
PowerBall tells OP he has winning ticket for the jackpot.
OP quits his job and buys a Ferrari on credit.
PowerBall says, "Hold please. We have to verify your ticket."
OP, "Go frick yourselves. Keep it. Im buying a scratchoff."
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:57 am to copenhagen pete
quote:
Mascona wrote on "gridiron now" which is a site I'm not familiar with but anyway, to paraphrase, we had Herman hired (verbally) but that Herman wanted to hear what UT had in mind (via a phone conversation with hermans agent late Friday night) and it pissed alleva off. Joe went on to say frick y'all, I'll pull my offer and give it to someone who truly wants to work here. That of course being ed o. That said, if true, Joe manned up in that sense
In what world is this a "defense" of Alleva? This makes him look like a petulant child who put his own pride in front of the good of the football program. frick Alleva. How many times can one man be pushed around?
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:57 am to Python
Not naive enough to realize you are a bag of dicks. Your word is your word. Period. For a stick of gum or a multi-million dollar contract. Like the money amounts nullifies a handshake or not? Give me a fricking break. Look into some history books. Our country was built on handshake deals. It's called decent loyal people doing decent loyal things. ALL THE TIME even on big deals. Get a grip
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:58 am to 10888bge
Well we don't know if he would have stuck to his guns now do we? The report we are discussing says Herman was pumped about the LSU job, wanted to coach in the SEC, and was going to take the job this morning. He didn't break any agreement by wanting to let Texas say what they had to say before officially signing with LSU.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:58 am to landrywasbeast30
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What games? It's perfectly reasonable for Herman to want to hear what Texas had to say before signing his name officially to coach LSU. Worst case scenario, you wait a few hours and end up exactly were they did anyway. Every move Alleva makes puts a little more stink on this program.
It is not the fact that he wanted to hear what UT had to say, it is the fact he did it after agreeing on principal with LSU. IF at the outset Herman/agent said this is a 3 party negotiation with UT, us and LSU that would be different. The writing was on the wall for Strong at UT so no one can say that aspect was uncertain. This whole scene has played out like a millennial looking for their first job.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:58 am to copenhagen pete
quote:stopped reading right here... he don't know his arse from a hole in the ground
Mascona
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:59 am to copenhagen pete
Nope. If Herman want to hear what UT was offering, it was time to move on. Clearly, it was not his first choice or second...
Maybe LSU is not the top five job we all think it is. Even Saban was not a top 5 pick at the time we hired him. It takes more than picking an elite coach (BEFORE he was elite) to make a program considered elite.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 12:00 pm to copenhagen pete
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Not naive enough to realize you are a bag of dicks. Your word is your word. Period. For a stick of gum or a multi-million dollar contract. Like the money amounts nullifies a handshake or not? Give me a fricking break. Look into some history books. Our country was built on handshake deals. It's called decent loyal people doing decent loyal things. ALL THE TIME even on big deals. Get a grip
This isn't the reality though when it comes to these coaching searches.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 12:00 pm to copenhagen pete
I am not trying to be a dick but most people in the business world will tell it doesn't mean shite until the papers are signed. If a company lost out on millions in profit because their CEO relied upon a handshake deal he would be fired immediately.
Even with the handshake deal Alleva had to know Texas was going to be an issue if Strong lost. Herman saying I want to hear Texas was not a shock. Texas won we lost.
Even with the handshake deal Alleva had to know Texas was going to be an issue if Strong lost. Herman saying I want to hear Texas was not a shock. Texas won we lost.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 12:01 pm to Alltheway Tigers!
quote:Why couldn't we do that again? Was a Saban-type scenario not even a possibility??
Even Saban was not a top 5 pick at the time we hired him.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 12:02 pm to Python
Herman was Texas first choice and Texas was Herman's first choice. Herman was a graduate assistant at TX under Mac Brown and got his Master's from there. All of his other jobs were in the state of TX and The University of Texas is the flagship job in the state despite the las five years.
Herman's agent was just using LSU to get more money from TX. End of story!!
Herman's agent was just using LSU to get more money from TX. End of story!!
Posted on 11/26/16 at 12:03 pm to 10888bge
You are exactly right 10888bge. All Herman/agent had to say is we shake on it/ sign on dotted line when we hear Texas out. But they didn't. They said we want lsu deal period. Joe did it right. Sorry he didn't get first choice but frick Herman and Armstrong. Things happen for a reason. We will see soon
Posted on 11/26/16 at 12:04 pm to Tigerdew
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This isn't the reality though when it comes to these coaching searches.
Agreed, but is goes to show the character of the man. And before anyone says that it doesn't matter or only wins matter, look at Arkansas after Petrino, Baylor rape scandal, Michigan with Richrod, Tenn with Kiffen, many of those piss pot situations had 80% to do with character. I want a coach that wants to be here. Obviously Herman does not want to be here. FFS even O said he will take a raise and be willing to move down the pecking order if it meas the best for LSU.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 12:04 pm to Alltheway Tigers!
From an outside perspective, it was clear and I mean crystal clear that Herman preferred UT over lsu from the beginning, I don't think it was anything against LSU it's just that UT was his 'dream job'. Alleva should of known and planned this from the beginning.
Alleva should of given Herman a strong offer early before the UT offer was likely even a possibility. Hard to blame Herman for wanting to hear from UT. IMO no matter what went down this week, it should of all been figured out with Herman weeks ago when UT was not likely to open up.
Alleva should of given Herman a strong offer early before the UT offer was likely even a possibility. Hard to blame Herman for wanting to hear from UT. IMO no matter what went down this week, it should of all been figured out with Herman weeks ago when UT was not likely to open up.
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