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Important Piece from Cam Cameron Interview
Posted on 3/1/15 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 3/1/15 at 3:02 pm
As our formations stretch, it creates more space for the run and throwing the ball inside. When you're in your traditional tight end-attached formations, unless you've got a real elusive tight end, you're resigned to throwing longer throws on the perimeter. Expanding formations creates simpler throws."
We all know the spread gives you a better chance to run inside by fewer numbers in the box and get your playmakers into 1 on 1 battles where they can win with pure athleticism. I am just excited to see Cam voice his view on this since he doesn't truly speak during the season about what we've all been begging for a spread attack with simple throws to get the ball into your playmakers hands.
We all know the spread gives you a better chance to run inside by fewer numbers in the box and get your playmakers into 1 on 1 battles where they can win with pure athleticism. I am just excited to see Cam voice his view on this since he doesn't truly speak during the season about what we've all been begging for a spread attack with simple throws to get the ball into your playmakers hands.
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Posted on 3/1/15 at 3:12 pm to BayouBoy44
We'll be Texas Tech in no time!
Posted on 3/1/15 at 3:20 pm to BayouBoy44
We may have a few spread formations, but Les will not change to a shotgun spread team.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 3:31 pm to BayouBoy44
A few spread looks woud be good but we are not and will not be a spread team. Our main goal is to be successful enough throwing the ball to rack up a bit of yardage and keep the defense honest. If we can make the occasional big play and keep the defense from stacking the box we will be in good shape.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 3:33 pm to schwartzy
Three puff pieces. They knew young QB's are sometimes dazzled by playbooks. They also knew that young receivers aren't used to press corner and press coverage in general.
If they didn't, stop and think about that: Do you really want coaches that oblivious in charge of the program?
Of course, none of us do, and of course nobody really thinks that Cameron, Miles or anyone else on staff is that oblivious. So then why would they not adjust to the strengths of their roster and find the best 11 that put us in the best position to win?
Honestly...I think winning the way Les wants to win is more important to him than just winning. The Rantard White Knighters will be out in force here to flame and downvote. Time was I'd do the same thing if I read something like this.
The problem is as an objective, pragmatic guy, after awhile I have to wonder why we seem so reactionary with our philosophy? Why it never seems to change? The truth is, when we see success, it's not an adjustment of the system per se. When we see the biggest improvements in performance and production on offense, we it results not from schematic changes or adjustments that express the talent of the kids on the roster we currently have or had.
No, it's that kids just matured into great players. Mettenberger became great his final year here after time in the system. It took him time to mature. Time to figure out what we wanted. But is that what we're selling as a program? No, it's not...We're selling 3 and done, and we have absolutely sold out on that. Yes, a few kids like La'El Collins, Vadal and Hawk have bucked that trend, but don't believe we aren't playing Freshman like crazy and recruiting with a pitch about 3 and done.
So how can you recruit to a three and done pitch, then play all of these younger players, but then try to tell the fanbase, donors and your employers that you have to wait for these younger players to mature? How will that ever sustain itself into a consistent program that can compete for championships on a year-in, year-out basis?
It seems to be we just keep jamming the square peg into the round hole, and yelp about youth but sell it like crazy. I'm not sure how we can recruit with three and done and then get on the field results the way we'd all like to see them play out.
It just doesn't seem feasible to me. I'm open to being shown I'm wrong. Just that I've seen most of the arguments, and there aren't many that make a lot of sense.
If they didn't, stop and think about that: Do you really want coaches that oblivious in charge of the program?
Of course, none of us do, and of course nobody really thinks that Cameron, Miles or anyone else on staff is that oblivious. So then why would they not adjust to the strengths of their roster and find the best 11 that put us in the best position to win?
Honestly...I think winning the way Les wants to win is more important to him than just winning. The Rantard White Knighters will be out in force here to flame and downvote. Time was I'd do the same thing if I read something like this.
The problem is as an objective, pragmatic guy, after awhile I have to wonder why we seem so reactionary with our philosophy? Why it never seems to change? The truth is, when we see success, it's not an adjustment of the system per se. When we see the biggest improvements in performance and production on offense, we it results not from schematic changes or adjustments that express the talent of the kids on the roster we currently have or had.
No, it's that kids just matured into great players. Mettenberger became great his final year here after time in the system. It took him time to mature. Time to figure out what we wanted. But is that what we're selling as a program? No, it's not...We're selling 3 and done, and we have absolutely sold out on that. Yes, a few kids like La'El Collins, Vadal and Hawk have bucked that trend, but don't believe we aren't playing Freshman like crazy and recruiting with a pitch about 3 and done.
So how can you recruit to a three and done pitch, then play all of these younger players, but then try to tell the fanbase, donors and your employers that you have to wait for these younger players to mature? How will that ever sustain itself into a consistent program that can compete for championships on a year-in, year-out basis?
It seems to be we just keep jamming the square peg into the round hole, and yelp about youth but sell it like crazy. I'm not sure how we can recruit with three and done and then get on the field results the way we'd all like to see them play out.
It just doesn't seem feasible to me. I'm open to being shown I'm wrong. Just that I've seen most of the arguments, and there aren't many that make a lot of sense.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 3:35 pm to BayouBoy44
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When you're in your traditional tight end-attached formations, unless you've got a real elusive tight end, you're resigned to throwing longer throws on the perimeter.
Throws Harris has the arm to make and Jennings does not. The offense we run is proven to work with the right guy (see 2013). I admire AJ and his work ethic but he just does not have the strength to drill the ball to the back shoulder on the edge or in stride down the middle. To run Cam's offense you have to be able to make all the throws. Only one of our 2 guys can
Posted on 3/1/15 at 3:37 pm to BayouBoy44
He's right, it's easier to run/throw when there is less traffic. But they still trot out the power I formation, in spite of that fact.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 3:53 pm to GFunk
GFunk, You probably will get a lot of down votes, but I think your take on the problem that is inherent in theMiles philosophy is pretty dead on. You get at least one upward pointing arrow.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:03 pm to BayouBoy44
So tired of these spread threads. Seriously.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:12 pm to GFunk
quote:
Honestly...I think winning the way Les wants to win is more important to him than just winning. The Rantard White Knighters will be out in force here to flame and downvote. Time was I'd do the same thing if I read something like this.
I understand your frustration with the three and done sell, but that's not just an LSU problem, that's an NFL CBA problem. LSU just so happens to be a unique roster that has a ton of depth in the third round grade area. I've repeated this several times, but the NFL CBA has changed the way mid-round guys think in the entire sport, and now it's simply not worth it to come back if you don't believe you can play your way into the first or second round. That's another thread.
As far as Miles winning the way he wants versus just winning, I don't think you could be further off. It's been a few years, but history has shown Les is perfectly fine with a more open offense if the personnel is there. The thing people overlook about him is he's always going to take the high percentage shot. It's funny that he developed the persona of the riverboat gambler. It's true, but not in the traditional sense. Les isn't the guy betting it all on black at the roulette wheel, he's the guy calculating pot odds at the poker table.
This past season the rumor was floated around and told to me by someone I trust that Cam had actually been installing a more spread oriented offense during the spring and even into fall camp. The issue? The QBs just couldn't make the throws and reads. You can't run a spread efficiently if you're always in check-with-me. That's where his "we're gonna run a 1950's offense" comments came from. The whole project was put on the back burner, and the ultimate high percentage shot in an NFL quality OL and three elite backs became the focus. I for one believe it would have truly been a square peg in a round hole to force a passing game that just wasn't there.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:18 pm to GFunk
If you are as smart as you think you are, how come nobody has signed you on as a coach? 
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:29 pm to BayouBoy44
Miles will never move to a complete spread attack nor should he. Its been proven over time that a prostyle offense is great when you have a qb that can execute.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:32 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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it would have truly been a square peg in a round hole to force a passing game that just wasn't there.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:33 pm to BayouBoy44
whatever their strategy and thinkin have been, might make sense on paper or a discussion thread, but unless they develop a decent Qb, it is useless.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:33 pm to GFunk
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So how can you recruit to a three and done pitch, then play all of these younger players, but then try to tell the fanbase, donors and your employers that you have to wait for these younger players to mature? How will that ever sustain itself into a consistent program that can compete for championships on a year-in, year-out basis?
Maturity is needed at the qb position. Its rare for a young forst year starter to lead teams to titles unless the team is stacked around them. Last year our team was extremely young at almost every crucial position on offense and the one position we were experienced at was going through a scheme shift (oline going to zone ).
This post was edited on 3/1/15 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:34 pm to GFunk
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But is that what we're selling as a program? No, it's not...We're selling 3 and done, and we have absolutely sold out on that.
You made a misguided assumption and let it shape your entire argument. How many times has Miles mentioned to recruits, players, and the media about staying to earn an LSU degree and not "giving the NFL a bargain.
You're nuts if you think that we're not trying to keep every player on the roster as long as they have remaining eligibility.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:37 pm to JaxTiger10
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Its rare for a first year starter to lead teams to titles
As a friend, you should change this to what you actually mean.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 4:43 pm to GFunk
quote:Shazzam! You hit the nail on the head. You asked the forbidden question. And you are right in your conclusion. Until this "3 and done" thing is uprooted and team stability is again the norm, LSU will have roller coaster seasons, and seldom consistently compete for anything of significance.
So how can you recruit to a three and done pitch, then play all of these younger players, but then try to tell the fanbase, donors and your employers that you have to wait for these younger players to mature? How will that ever sustain itself into a consistent program that can compete for championships on a year-in, year-out basis?
Posted on 3/1/15 at 5:28 pm to GFunk
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I think winning the way Les wants to win is more important to him than just winning.
Posted on 3/1/15 at 5:44 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I for one believe it would have truly been a square peg in a round hole to force a passing game that just wasn't there.
sad, but true. I think everybody was somewhat blindsided by the post Mett passing game. most forget that we couldn't even execute a screen pass until mid season.
new qb. new wr's. new blocking scheme. passing game sucked.
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