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re: I’m still excited about LSU basketball and Johnny Jones
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:15 pm to Open Your Eyes
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:15 pm to Open Your Eyes
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This wasn't some preseason top 30 team.
quote:So they weren't a top 30 team. Thanks.
They were 40 in AP and 43 in coaches.
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:16 pm to KG5989
Martin
Coleman
Morgan
Okay....maybe I was overstating a bit with "very good". How about "good".
Coleman
Morgan
Okay....maybe I was overstating a bit with "very good". How about "good".
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:20 pm to mmcgrath
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This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:20 pm to bdnc
Def need the upgrades in the back court that are on there way. Future def bright.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:22 pm to ipodking
I wish we had Carmouche with this roster
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:25 pm to bdnc
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Ranters need to remember what Johnny Jones started with, not much. I’m still looking forward to what’s ahead. All of this stuff about Johnny Jones not knowing how to coach, blah, blah, blah, is premature and more so, immature.
The good news is that the talent upgrade will continue in the coming years and CJJ has a CT2 pipeline to local talent that will secure that.
The reality is that CJJ is still on a learning curve coaching at this level and to deny that is myopic rationalization pure and simple.
i'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he will, but to deny it's a reality is wishful thinking.
How many of you were asking "where's the press" for 25 minutes of the game? I bet alot.
When we did it worked pretty good, didn't it? Then when we pulled even we stopped doing it.
I understood it when Coleman was out, but he returned with just under 3 minutes.
C'mon man. Have ya'll seen Bama play any games this year. Our half court philosiphy on both ends needs some work. Ya'll have seen A. Grant's game for 5 years. You gonna accept that first half?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:27 pm to teeMike
Martin and Coleman are good. Morgan not so much. They are all inconsistent. Coleman has played hard and given everything he has. Morgan needs to work hard on his dribbling, ball handling and finishing drives. Martin is going to be spectacular but is a year away.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:41 pm to KG5989
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but they still are youngsters.
This is not an excuse for basketball. At a certain age coaching can only go so far. These kids should have the skills already by 18 or they aren't going to be very good in the NBA. Yeah some can work on their body and parts if the game. But some of these kids would already be in the NBA if there wasn't a 1 year rule. Being young isn't an excuse unless you are Trent and only recruit guys that will stay 4 years.
I'm not knocking Jones, but he will have to recruit better if we ever want to be a legit tourney team. Or he will have to coach better if we can't get the recruits.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:42 pm to Tiger Ugly
quote:I understand completely with your line of thought and agree.
The reality is that CJJ is still on a learning curve coaching at this level and to deny that is myopic rationalization pure and simple.
i'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he will, but to deny it's a reality is wishful thinking.
But give the guy 2-3 full seasons at least. I know it's cliche now, but Coach K didn't coach a team into the NCAAT until his 9th season. In fact, he had 4 losing seasons in 8 years between Army and Duke.
Easily I'm not comparing CJJ to Coach K, but frick some of these people. CJJ needs some time.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:43 pm to teeMike
Haha i gotcha.
Martin has the potential to be very good. But hes not there yet. Hes a solid freshman that is still trying to figure out the college game. 9pts and 4 rebs is what he averages. Im not sure if I would call that even good yet. Good contributor, but nowhere near where he will be.
Coleman averages 9 and 4 also. Not bad. But for a SR thats very blah.
Morgan is putting up 5 points and 3 rebs. Thats not good.
Like I said, we have young players that can turn into good / very good players. But they arent there right now.
Dumbest thing ive read in this thread. Right here.
Along with this.
The great freshman like Randle, Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, etc. Yea they are already NBA ready. But not all freshman are like them. Actually, its very rare to be that good as freshman. And dont sit there and act like they cant or wont improve on their overall game. That 1st quote of yours is absurd. If thats true, then no players would improve in their overall game. Everyone would be at their peak at 18. And thats just flat out dumb and not true.
Martin has the potential to be very good. But hes not there yet. Hes a solid freshman that is still trying to figure out the college game. 9pts and 4 rebs is what he averages. Im not sure if I would call that even good yet. Good contributor, but nowhere near where he will be.
Coleman averages 9 and 4 also. Not bad. But for a SR thats very blah.
Morgan is putting up 5 points and 3 rebs. Thats not good.
Like I said, we have young players that can turn into good / very good players. But they arent there right now.
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These kids should have the skills already by 18 or they aren't going to be very good in the NBA.
Dumbest thing ive read in this thread. Right here.
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but he will have to recruit better if we ever want to be a legit tourney team.
Along with this.
The great freshman like Randle, Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, etc. Yea they are already NBA ready. But not all freshman are like them. Actually, its very rare to be that good as freshman. And dont sit there and act like they cant or wont improve on their overall game. That 1st quote of yours is absurd. If thats true, then no players would improve in their overall game. Everyone would be at their peak at 18. And thats just flat out dumb and not true.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:44 pm to KG5989
Coleman does so many things that don't show up on the stat sheet. The fact that he gives us any offense is just a bonus imho. We are going to really miss him next year
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:49 pm to drizztiger
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But give the guy 2-3 full seasons at least
I'll give him that. No problem.
This is a new level for him and he's adjusting. I'm pulling for him. He's my team's coach.
But he's got some culpability this year and some can't allow for that.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:49 pm to fightingtiger2335
Oh i agree with that. Hes a spark plug out there.
But can you really call him a good basketball player?? He means a lot to the team and is a leader. But hes an average basketball player at the college level.
But can you really call him a good basketball player?? He means a lot to the team and is a leader. But hes an average basketball player at the college level.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 11:59 pm to KG5989
Yeah I think he's good basketball player.
He has saved a many of his teammates on the defensive side by covering their missed defensive assignment or missed rotation. Knowing where to be and being smart is part of being a good player. He's not great but I am a huge fan of his
He has saved a many of his teammates on the defensive side by covering their missed defensive assignment or missed rotation. Knowing where to be and being smart is part of being a good player. He's not great but I am a huge fan of his
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:14 am to fightingtiger2335
Oh no doubt I agree with all of that. Im a huge fan of his too. Same with Hickey. But I dont think they are exceptional bball players. As leaders, yes. No doubt about that.
But im not about to lose all faith in Johnny Jones or the program just because we might miss the tourney this year. Our best players are freshman, and we have another great recruiting class coming in.
Were 12-6. We have beaten some good team and played some other good teams really tight til the end. Yea we lost to some teams that we shouldnt have. But that happens in basketball.
I expect us to be vastly improved by the time the SEC tourney rolls around due to our freshman improving as the season goes on.
But im not about to lose all faith in Johnny Jones or the program just because we might miss the tourney this year. Our best players are freshman, and we have another great recruiting class coming in.
Were 12-6. We have beaten some good team and played some other good teams really tight til the end. Yea we lost to some teams that we shouldnt have. But that happens in basketball.
I expect us to be vastly improved by the time the SEC tourney rolls around due to our freshman improving as the season goes on.
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 12:16 am
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:22 am to KG5989
I dont put hickey anywhere near coleman on this years production.
Hickey has shown little energy, point guard who doesnt distribute, amd shoots around 33% from field bt refuses to let someone else try a shot at end of a half.
Tonite our big run was him on bench.
When stringer is on courti feel like we are getting what he yas to offer, hickey I rarely get that this year.
Hickey has shown little energy, point guard who doesnt distribute, amd shoots around 33% from field bt refuses to let someone else try a shot at end of a half.
Tonite our big run was him on bench.
When stringer is on courti feel like we are getting what he yas to offer, hickey I rarely get that this year.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:26 am to fightingtiger2335
This year, I agree. I was just talking about Hickey career wise. But yea this year he hasnt been the same player that he was in the psat.
And hes still averaging over 2 steals per game. And shoots 35%. Damn i just looked up his stats, hes shooting 58% from the free throw line, and thats the best hes ever shot. Thats horrendous.
Free throws kill this team too.
And hes still averaging over 2 steals per game. And shoots 35%. Damn i just looked up his stats, hes shooting 58% from the free throw line, and thats the best hes ever shot. Thats horrendous.
Free throws kill this team too.
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 12:27 am
Posted on 1/26/14 at 12:32 am to KG5989
I'll give cJJ some time for sure before I completely give up on him but tonight was inexcusable. Even with tj's left over talent he could have won this game. I saw somebody said it earlier and it's so true: CJJ bailed a grant out when he pulled us off the press. And why the hell was their best 3pt shooter (on the night because of course he has the game of his life) wide open? He had been burning us all night. Also often times it looks like this team needs a fire lit under their asses and properly refocused. Any old scrub high school coach can get a team ready to play and somewhat focused but cJJ failed on that from tonight
Posted on 1/26/14 at 8:09 am to c on z
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No excuse for being down 19 to an 8-10 team.
Their record is no indication of how good Bama actually is let's examine their losses
#25 Oklahoma
#18 Duke
Drexel
USF
#5 Wichita State
Xavier
UCLA
Georgia
MIssouri
#6 Florida
so that is 4 ranked teams, 3 of those unranked teams are usually very strong Basketball teams
only three "bad losses" is maybe Georgia South Florida and Drexel (note Georgia is 4-2 in the SEC) (and drexel will be their only negative spot come tourney time) (South Florida is ok)
Bama is a good basketball team and plays much better at home. They have a chance to make it to the big dance because of their high Strength of Schedule.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 8:33 am to KG5989
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Like I said, we have young players that can turn into good / very good players. But they arent there right now. quote: These kids should have the skills already by 18 or they aren't going to be very good in the NBA. Dumbest thing ive read in this thread. Right here. quote: but he will have to recruit better if we ever want to be a legit tourney team. Along with this. The great freshman like Randle, Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, etc. Yea they are already NBA ready. But not all freshman are like them. Actually, its very rare to be that good as freshman. And dont sit there and act like they cant or wont improve on their overall game. That 1st quote of yours is absurd. If thats true, then no players would improve in their overall game. Everyone would be at their peak at 18. And thats just flat out dumb and not true.
Just for the record, I didn't post these quotes you responded to. These are from other posters in the thread. Regardless, it's just opinions. I would avoid using words like "dumb" or "absurd". Just not necessary. Try "respectively disagree".
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