re: I'm afraid that some of the Les haters are too young to remember bad times

Lets all not hate les because lsu used to suck. Ya I see the connection

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And who do you think is responsible for not using that talent to its fullest and not winning more SEC games, SEC championships with them?

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LSU has won more games than any other SEC program during the Miles era. LSU won 3 West titles and 2 SEC titles over the last 10 years.....during that period of time:

Alabama 4 West Titles 3 SEC Titles 3 NC
LSU 3 West Titles 2 SEC Titles 1 NC
Auburn 2 West Titles 2 SEC Titles 1 NC
ARKY 1 West Title 0 SEC Titles
OM 0
State 0
A&M 0

Yes indeed, LSU has truly been mediocre in the SEC during the Miles Era.

13-10 last 3 years with the highest paid staff in the sec. Wrong again. LSU's offense has been 94th or worse 6 of the last 7 years, does that paint a picture of Miles making the correct changes needed to win? Does that show you a stubborn man relying on his top 10 defenses every year to win games? Not good at picking games or making others comments look bad. Must have really killed your ego when Arky and Ole Miss demolished us this year. Guess I should have taken that bet with you Hollow. Wouldn't have to read your lovely posts that seem to prove nothing.

Look, I was there when Howard threw 6 INTs and 3 were pick sixes in the 4th q of that Auburn game. I slammed my bedroom door. Remember itike it was yesterday.

I have been a steadfast supporter of Miles his entire career here. I will miss the silly bastard. I am sure I will second guess the firing at some point in the next few years.

But I can no longer defend him after last week.

It's like staying with a wife who you are miserable with for the sake of the children or waiting until they go off to college to file for divorce.

I filed mine with Miles Yesterday morning.

Right before the holidays.

Yeah, they won 3 titles in the 80's, one in 90's and another in 2001. If you want to call that a powerhouse 30 years ago, that is fine. Pretty sure most of that success was due to money under the table also. "Pay for Play" scandal, Shapiro Scandal. You know the type of things that cause sanctions. Yet, during those years, they rarely sold out their stadium. Johnson won one title left for Dallas then hired Erickson who won two national titles and left for NFL. Both were never really fired, both left for NFL jobs.

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I remember those days well. And I don't really want to go back to them. That's why changes need to be made.
Or would you rather wait until an LSU coaching change would only draw local media attention?

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C'mon, Rev! Are you too young to remember the Bill Arnsparger days in the mid-80s?


Career Winning Percentage in SEC Games

Bill Arnsparger - .778

Les Miles - .689


To your point about falling back to "bad times", Saban's tenure changed the LSU football program. The recruiting base has always been there for LSU, but Saban improved recruiting, along with facilities, revenue, the LSU aura, national standing/reputation, etc.

That's not to say that Saban is solely responsible for the success of LSU since 2000, but he was a big part of it. For years, a lot of people saw LSU as a sleeping giant pre-Saban. My dad used to talk about it in the 90s when he was frustrated with LSU football.

LSU was a very good program in many different ways before Saban, though. Arnsparger's record is a testament to that. But Saban helped take LSU to that elite level as a program. And I think, to a large degree, McElroy was right about the mindset -- part of that was the We mindset -- Saban's influence has reverberated for years in many ways, faded in others, and of course, has now come in a different (but in many ways, the same) form as an opponent.

Although things have changed, I'm not saying that "bad times" are now impossible, but LSU has changed in a lot of significantly positive ways since the "bad times" of the 80s and 90s. The potential to be a championship-level team now is much greater, while the potential to fall on "bad times" has decreased. But, in Archer's four years (1987-1990), LSU had a 15-12 conference record. In the last four years (2012-present) LSU has a 19-12 conference record. By the Archer standard, Miles seems to be trending toward "bad times". Also, LSU is currently in the midst of 1966-level bad times with three straight double-digit losses.


Regardless of what happens, Rev, I hope you have good times.

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be too young to remember when Miami was winning National Championships and always a powerhouse.

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I'm not. And I remember how they did it, too. It had nothing to do with facilities, academics, etc. They won because they had Jimmy Johnson and attracted top talent with hookers, blow and cash.

True, they helped change the landscape of college football. They served as a blueprint of how NOT to go about building a program. And look where they are now.

You forgot Jerry Stovall and Gerry DiNardo. Only Bill Arnsparger put it together. All this is predicated on the assumption that Joe Alleva can hire the best coach. It's an assumption I don't want to make too readily. Me? I'll take Coach Miles over any of these guys.

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And I'm not here to say so much whether Les should be let go or not, only that history proves that the wrong hire can be both painful and prolonged.

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Fear can not be the reason we don't do what is needed

The fan base is divided over Coach Miles... the record the last 4 season is mediocrity...

When a fan based is passionaltely divided, that's when you know it's time

I don't care what others say, they just see Miles as winning a lot of games who is a nice man.

LSU is an elite job and LSU pays the staff top dollar out of all schools. FACT!

So that means expectations come with top pay. Miles fought for top dollar and they haven't produced.

Losing Chavis to a rival school and we get Steele was the tale tale

though the offense is really why Miles is losing his job