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re: If you could create the college post season however you wanted...?
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:57 pm to LSU Alumnus
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:57 pm to LSU Alumnus
Its however I want? Doesn't have to be a reasonable possibility?
Only conference champions. No at large bids. Force Independants to compete in a P5 conference.
Only conference champions. No at large bids. Force Independants to compete in a P5 conference.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 1:58 pm
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Posted on 11/16/18 at 3:22 pm to LSU Alumnus
If more people paid attn to “fixing” the regular season in college football than “fixing” the post season we’d have a much better product.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:56 pm to LATECHgradLSUfan
quote:
You would think LSU should be left out of that for a #23 Mizzou team
Yes.
I guess you think that undefeated Patriots team that got beat by the Giants thanks to a lucky, fluke helmet catch should have been crowned Super Bowl champs right?
They were clearly better that New York every day but the one the game was played.
shite happens in playoffs, the better team sometimes loses. And the CCGs should be the first round playoff game.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 5:01 pm to xiv
quote:
You have to completely disregard 1/3 of the regular season to believe this. In 2003, there wasn’t a Big 12 team better than Oklahoma. On a single day in December 2003, there was one Big 12 team better than Oklahoma.
In 2017, there wasn’t an SEC team better than Alabama. On a single day in November, there was one.
The season is 12(/13) games long, not 8 or 9. If 14 teams want to get together and call themselves a conference and give their own special consideration to 8 of their games, good for them, but those other 4 games are still going to count.
So why have a playoff or play games at all?
Just let the committee pick who they think the best team is.
With so many teams there is no way to really know who will beat who, so divide the teams up into relatively equal groups (conferences) then play the season. Whoever wins the conference gets in.
End of story. Otherwise you are letting a bunch of people decide who gets in based on some bullshite eyeball test. And if that’s the case just go back to the way it was years ago where the coaches and AP picked the champ before anyone even played a bowl game.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 11/16/18 at 5:03 pm to xiv
quote:
My idea is mathematically better than yours since teams would have to prove it on the field for an entire season rather than for a mere fraction of it.
Your idea discounts teams starting slow then improving and being one of the best teams at the end of the season.
And discounts actually winning some form of championship.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 5:06 pm to TheWalrus
quote:
FCS style playoff
This is the answer in my opinion and is basically how every other sport decides its champion. The eye test is a way for the voters to do whatever they want regardless of wins, losses or conference championships. Puts way too much power in the committee.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 5:52 pm to LSU Alumnus
First, a couple of points:
1. If you're going to use a playoff, you need to COMPLETELY get rid of the opinion polls from the equation.
2. If you believe that the national championship game determines the best team in the nation, you must accept that the conference championship game determines the best team in the conference.
It's this simple:
Eight conference champions, seeded by SOS, first round at higher seed's home, semi-finals and final rotate as they do today.
No byes, no wildcards, just a tournament of champions.
1. If you're going to use a playoff, you need to COMPLETELY get rid of the opinion polls from the equation.
2. If you believe that the national championship game determines the best team in the nation, you must accept that the conference championship game determines the best team in the conference.
It's this simple:
Eight conference champions, seeded by SOS, first round at higher seed's home, semi-finals and final rotate as they do today.
No byes, no wildcards, just a tournament of champions.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 6:18 pm to LSU Alumnus
I'd make it a 16-team playoff with the 5 champions of the major conferences getting in automatically, while the other 11 spots are at large.
It would take 4 weeks of games to determine a champion. First and 2nd round played at higher seeded teams' home fields. First round played on 1st weekend of December and 2nd round played 2 weeks later.
Semifinals held in neutral fields and in same format as current playoffs.
It's the way it should be.
It would take 4 weeks of games to determine a champion. First and 2nd round played at higher seeded teams' home fields. First round played on 1st weekend of December and 2nd round played 2 weeks later.
Semifinals held in neutral fields and in same format as current playoffs.
It's the way it should be.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 7:48 pm to PokerPlayingTiger
quote:
at large
Based on what?
16 is a lot of teams.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 7:56 pm to abellsujr
Each conference would have to play every team in their conference in the regular season.
Each conference champion would have to play another conference champion on a rotating basis.
Last man standing wins.
Each conference champion would have to play another conference champion on a rotating basis.
Last man standing wins.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 7:56 pm to LSU Alumnus
quote:it would blatantly exclude Alabama
If you could create the college post season however you wanted...?
Posted on 11/16/18 at 8:27 pm to LSU Alumnus
Cut 1 week off regular season. No one needs all these cupcake games.
Go back to old pre-BCS bowl system, but earlier on calendar.
After bowls, apply BCS formula of human and computer polls. The formula was very good at determining the top handful of teams.
4 team playoff.
This makes bowls more relevant again. It removes the committee. The BCS system computer polls weigh SOS heavily so there’s incentive to schedule better regular season games.
Could drop 2 games, and make 8 team playoff, but bowls may be less important then. The top 8 would likely just shift around but not really change.
Go back to old pre-BCS bowl system, but earlier on calendar.
After bowls, apply BCS formula of human and computer polls. The formula was very good at determining the top handful of teams.
4 team playoff.
This makes bowls more relevant again. It removes the committee. The BCS system computer polls weigh SOS heavily so there’s incentive to schedule better regular season games.
Could drop 2 games, and make 8 team playoff, but bowls may be less important then. The top 8 would likely just shift around but not really change.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 8:36 pm to memphis tiger
quote:Why are you asking me? I’m counting all the games. Auto bids for conference champs doesn’t, and that’s why it won’t happen. Pretty easy to understand.
So why have a playoff or play games at all?
quote:Nah we math wizzes have a lot of ideas that are actually decent and fair.
With so many teams there is no way to really know who will beat who, so divide the teams up into relatively equal groups (conferences) then play the season. Whoever wins the conference gets in.
End of story. Otherwise you are letting a bunch of people decide who gets in based on some bullshite eyeball test.
Winning percentage divided by 2
Opponents’ winning percentage divided by ~3
Opponents’ opponents winning percentage divided by ~6
Figure out how to count FCS games, home/away/neutral, etc...
A nerd with excel can figure out something fair and unbiased pretty easily.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 8:38 pm to memphis tiger
quote:Yeah, it does this thing called “counting all games equally.”
Your idea discounts teams starting slow then improving and being one of the best teams at the end of the season.
quote:Conference championships discount teams starting slow then improving being one of the best teams at the end of the conference season.
And discounts actually winning some form of championship.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 8:39 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Mathematically false.
2. If you believe that the national championship game determines the best team in the nation, you must accept that the conference championship game determines the best team in the conference.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 8:57 pm to xiv
quote:
Mathematically false.
Your margin of error swallows up any valid results because your sample size is so small.
Personally, I don't think there is any way to determine a "best" team except by opinion. Once you introduce subjectivity, you may as well just go back to pre-alliance days. The "champion" is merely the winner of a tournament. if you have a playoff, you should remove subjectivity. Also, your way makes conference championships completely irrelevant. Personally, I'm not okay with that. Wildcards do the same thing.
There's no reason for all that, keep it simple, objective, and maintain conference championship integrity. I don't even care if all conferences crown their champions differently. Should the MAC champion go before the send place SEC team? Sure, the MAC team provides the cream-puff incentive to get the highest seed almost like a bye. It really comes down to the top 4 seeds, and I just don't think there's room for a runner up in the top 4.
Besides, there will come a day when the SEC doesn't get a team in the playoffs under the present system. I don't think that's right. I think any system needs to include conference champions to assure the SEC will be represented.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:45 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Mathematically false. Every conference championship would account for 9 or 10 of a conference champion’s games, which is exactly what they represent in a national field.
Also, your way makes conference championships completely irrelevant.
Your idea is unrealistic, and it will never happen, and that’s because it is horrible and poorly thought-out and completely disregards 3 or 4 of every team’s games.
Posted on 11/17/18 at 5:03 am to LSU Alumnus
11 teams. 5 P5 Conference Champs get automatic bids and first round bye. 6 at large teams play each other in the first round. 8 teams remain.
This would bring meaning back to conference championships. Automatic bids and a bye week would be a reward for winning your conference.
This would bring meaning back to conference championships. Automatic bids and a bye week would be a reward for winning your conference.
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