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If you could create the college post season however you wanted...?
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:04 am
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:04 am
I don't think a 12-0 Notre Dame is one of the four best teams.
How relevant is W/L record? Is the eye test better than a single elimination tournament? Do we just have sheeple voters?
We can't agree on who deserves it, if we can't agree on the philosophy and goals? (There's probably a parallel thread somewhere on the poli board.
How relevant is W/L record? Is the eye test better than a single elimination tournament? Do we just have sheeple voters?
We can't agree on who deserves it, if we can't agree on the philosophy and goals? (There's probably a parallel thread somewhere on the poli board.
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Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:05 am to LSU Alumnus
FCS style playoff
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:06 am to LSU Alumnus
They have a win over a top 4 team are undefeated and have 10 P5 teams on their schedule
They schedules
Michigan
USCw
Stanford
FSU
Virginia Tech
It’s not their fault those teams suck this year (besides Michigan)
Yo answer your question
8 teams bmpick them using the old BCS rules
They schedules
Michigan
USCw
Stanford
FSU
Virginia Tech
It’s not their fault those teams suck this year (besides Michigan)
Yo answer your question
8 teams bmpick them using the old BCS rules
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 11:08 am
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:07 am to LSU Alumnus
6 team playoff. Top 6 teams in the country determined by committee/BCS computer type system.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:09 am to Number2
8 teams. big 5 conf. champs get in. 2 wild cards and 1 spot for best non P5 school - let those schools decide the formula for qualifying.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:12 am to LSU Alumnus
6 team = power 5 conference champs and 1 at large
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:15 am to LSU Alumnus
You’re going to get a lot of answers that include automatic bids for conference champions. Ignore those. Those aren’t well-thought-out ideas.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:15 am to LSU Alumnus
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If you could create the college post season however you wanted...?
This is really a huge topic and I have tons of thoughts on it, but I think the root issue is that we're still trying to do two things at once. We're attempting to keep the old Bowl System in tact, while at the same time trying to go with a playoff system of only 4 or 6 or 8 teams. The entire things seems like a mess.
If you like eye tests, polls, committees, etc, then just go back to the old bowl system and our mythical national championships and be happy.
If you like the idea of a playoff where teams play their way in mathematically (like in the NFL), then we need to quit worrying about nonsense like eye tests, polls, strength of schedules, etc and reorganize college football's conferences into divisions like the NFL and let teams play their way in without having to worry about what the East German judge thinks about their performance for the year.
Keep in mind, I'm not advocating one over the other, but I think the current system of trying to have both makes no sense at all. people who used to love the old Bowl System feel like this isn't working, and if you really want a playoff you have to see that a system where eye tests matter until you get into the playoff then it's win or go home makes little sense.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:16 am to LSU Alumnus
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How relevant is W/L record?
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:18 am to xiv
Then why play conference championships?? Stupid
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:18 am to LSU Alumnus
I actually think that ND has a playoff worthy team if they win out.
I also think that ND will lose to Syracuse this week and eliminate their chance.
I also think that ND will lose to Syracuse this week and eliminate their chance.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:21 am to LSU Alumnus
1. 6 conferences with 14 teams and 2 divisions
2. If not in a conference not eligible for playoffs (talking to you ND)
3. All non conference games have to be vs teams from on of the other 5 conferences
4. Conference championship is the de facto first round of the playoff.
5. 6 conference champs are in
6. Seed the 6 teams
7. Top 2 seeds get a bye
Downside: might get an upset in he conference championship games. But tough shite. Upsets can happen in playoff games.
Upside: it is determined by what happens on the field. No bullshite eye test. Conference champs are in so not penalized for playing a reallybtouf OOC schedule.
2. If not in a conference not eligible for playoffs (talking to you ND)
3. All non conference games have to be vs teams from on of the other 5 conferences
4. Conference championship is the de facto first round of the playoff.
5. 6 conference champs are in
6. Seed the 6 teams
7. Top 2 seeds get a bye
Downside: might get an upset in he conference championship games. But tough shite. Upsets can happen in playoff games.
Upside: it is determined by what happens on the field. No bullshite eye test. Conference champs are in so not penalized for playing a reallybtouf OOC schedule.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 11:25 am
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:23 am to xiv
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You’re going to get a lot of answers that include automatic bids for conference champions. Ignore those. Those aren’t well-thought-out ideas.
I've seen this before but I don't think these folks have thought it through. If the champs get in, we can get rid of a lot of crap scheduling. better games all season long. I don't care if 1 or 2 teams isn't the best according to the eye test - P5 champions deserve to get in.
besides, there are exceptions to this rule. Rohan Davey's big senior year which included a win over alabama and 3 losses and the unstoppable connection he had with Josh Reed. by the end of the year LSU could play with anyone. that's a team that deserved a shot.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:23 am to LSU Alumnus
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If you could create the college post season however you wanted...?
Division 1 would be 64 teams in 4 16 teams conferences. The rest of modern day FBS teams would be regulated to Division 1a.
Each conference would have 2 Divisions of 8 teams.
You play all seven in your division and two from other division of your conference rotating each year (play each team in other division of your conference once every four years on a rotating home and home).
You play one each from every other conference on a rotating basis (you play every one of the other 48 teams outside your conference once every 16 years). This results in those "never see" match-ups.
Every team is allowed to play one team from the lower division 1a. That way the San Jose St's of the world will get their payday and each of the 64 teams gets a warm up to start the season, then the big boy football begins. The current scheduling with 3 patty-cake games that fans hate disappear.
Division champs play a conference Championship game.
Conference champs make up a four team playoff to decide National Champ.
ETA:
No computers, no polls, the Champion is decided on the field.
One NCAA referee office that assigns crews from out of the area for each and every game.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 11:29 am
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:25 am to Airpower
quote:All but one conference championship predates the playoff.
Then why play conference championships??
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:27 am to Airpower
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6 team = power 5 conference champs and 1 at large
what if you get a shitty conference champ...like Northwestern or Iowa State....it should be conference champ if they are ranked top say 15.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 11:28 am
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:30 am to LATECHgradLSUfan
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what if you get a shitty conference champ...like Northwestern or Iowa State....
So what. If they earn it on the field by winning a CCG they get in.
That’s how playoffs work. In he NFL sometimes a bad team wins a division and a really good team misses the wild card.
Tough. Win your conference you get a shot at the title. If you don’t Jen don’t complain.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:30 am to stephendomalley
There’s one simple reason why conference champions getting automatic bids won’t/can’t happen: never have all teams been in conferences.
Another reason: your conference slate accounts for only a fraction of your entire season. You would definitively be counting UGA/VU more than UGA/GT. That makes no sense.
The reason conferences get automatic bids in other sports is because the playoff fields and regular season sample sizes are big enough so that this isn’t an issue.
The only way to select a playoff field from 130+ teams with a sample size of 12 or 13 games is to ignore conferences, devise some sort of equitable ranking system, and take the teams who rate highest in that system. That’s it. Hate to crap on the thread, but there is and never will be a better way than settling on a computer ranking/composite and taking the top teams.
Another reason: your conference slate accounts for only a fraction of your entire season. You would definitively be counting UGA/VU more than UGA/GT. That makes no sense.
The reason conferences get automatic bids in other sports is because the playoff fields and regular season sample sizes are big enough so that this isn’t an issue.
The only way to select a playoff field from 130+ teams with a sample size of 12 or 13 games is to ignore conferences, devise some sort of equitable ranking system, and take the teams who rate highest in that system. That’s it. Hate to crap on the thread, but there is and never will be a better way than settling on a computer ranking/composite and taking the top teams.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:35 am to memphis tiger
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So what. If they earn it on the field by winning a CCG they get in.
So undefeated #1 LSU loses by 1 point to a beat up and lucky Missouri team that happen to back into the SECCG in the first place and beats LSU on a bad call by the refs in double overtime.
You would think LSU should be left out of that for a #23 Mizzou team?
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 11:39 am
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:44 am to LATECHgradLSUfan
That’s why conf champ auto bids are an impossibly silly idea. It completely disregards the OOC games, thus de-valuing the regular season to an unprecedented degree.
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