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I Have Mixed Feelings on the Read Option
Posted on 8/7/15 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 8/7/15 at 2:25 pm
QB's brushing up on the RO in the first vid.
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Anything to create a little deception is good, and if used right, will certainly help create even more space for the RB's behind that veteran OL.
What I'm a little apprehensive of is our overdoing it with designed plays where the qb keeps the ball.
JJ was a good running quarterback. Both AJ and BH are. Obviously, Mett was not. However, I got frustrated at JJ--and frustrated at the present two--when they prematurely tuck and run. A significant part of our offensive problems involve having playmakers all over the field, but they are empty-handed while the ball is in the hands of the quarterback who is running.
Having a good running quarterback is an asset for a busted play. However, when that good-running quarterback 1) prematurely tucks and runs and 2) the coaches call too many designed plays for that quarterback to run while we have blue-chip playmakers at RB and WR, then that plays a huge part in bogging an offense down.
I hope the Read opens things up for our RB's. I also hope it doesn't lead to the quarterbacks running keepers play after play and leaving Fournette and the WR's empty-handed.
LINK
Anything to create a little deception is good, and if used right, will certainly help create even more space for the RB's behind that veteran OL.
What I'm a little apprehensive of is our overdoing it with designed plays where the qb keeps the ball.
JJ was a good running quarterback. Both AJ and BH are. Obviously, Mett was not. However, I got frustrated at JJ--and frustrated at the present two--when they prematurely tuck and run. A significant part of our offensive problems involve having playmakers all over the field, but they are empty-handed while the ball is in the hands of the quarterback who is running.
Having a good running quarterback is an asset for a busted play. However, when that good-running quarterback 1) prematurely tucks and runs and 2) the coaches call too many designed plays for that quarterback to run while we have blue-chip playmakers at RB and WR, then that plays a huge part in bogging an offense down.
I hope the Read opens things up for our RB's. I also hope it doesn't lead to the quarterbacks running keepers play after play and leaving Fournette and the WR's empty-handed.
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Posted on 8/7/15 at 2:28 pm to timlan2057
Fournette will be our primary ball carrier. The read option is a look we'll use just enough to keep an extra defender spying the QB. That opens up our play action passing game out of this look (see the long TD to Diarse in the bowl game).
The threat of the QB run is a good thing in our offense.
The threat of the QB run is a good thing in our offense.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 2:30 pm to timlan2057
I have mixed feelings on a pass play. Sometimes it's complete for positive yards, sometimes it's incomplete for 0 yards and a wasted play. Dangit, why can't everything be perfect all the time?
Posted on 8/7/15 at 2:31 pm to timlan2057
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I got frustrated at JJ--and frustrated at the present two--when they prematurely tuck and run
You must be talking about Harris because I don't ever remember Jennings prematurely tucking and running. He often got sacked because he tried scrambling too late.
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The read option/zone read will help keep the defense off balance and you should welcome it. It means we'll see more shotgun runs.
This post was edited on 8/7/15 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 8/7/15 at 2:39 pm to rmnldr
in our offense, precisely because we have dangerous talent all over the field, the defense will be designed to make sure the QB keeps the ball.
He is the least potent weapon and the defense knows it.
He is the least potent weapon and the defense knows it.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 2:48 pm to timlan2057
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Having a good running quarterback is an asset for a busted play. However, when that good-running quarterback 1) prematurely tucks and runs and 2) the coaches call too many designed plays for that quarterback to run while we have blue-chip playmakers at RB and WR, then that plays a huge part in bogging an offense down.
This is not the purpose of the zone read. Your analysis is far too simple & doesn't touch on every aspect that zone read looks bring to an offense.
Just off the fake to the HB alone, it causes the safeties, ILB & DE/OLB to either freeze or take a false step in the wrong direction.
Just because they are practicing zone read concepts doesn't mean Cam Cameron will ask the quarterbacks to run a lot. Just a run here or there with the QB will open up voids in both the run game for the backs & in the secondary for the passing game. It's misdirection mind manipulation & that's why you see so many big plays come from using this concept. It puts a ton of stress on a defense to be sound play after play.
This post was edited on 8/7/15 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 8/7/15 at 2:49 pm to UserName69
I could only up vote u once so 
Posted on 8/7/15 at 2:49 pm to rmnldr
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The read option/zone read will help keep the defense off balance and you should welcome it. It means we'll see more shotgun runs.
Pistol baw. Pistol formation.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 2:52 pm to BigBrod81
Pistol=/=shotgun
I used to be a big advocate of the pistol but I think shotgun has more advantages.
I used to be a big advocate of the pistol but I think shotgun has more advantages.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 3:06 pm to rmnldr
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I used to be a big advocate of the pistol but I think shotgun has more advantages.
It's the exact opposite. You can't run quick hitting traps & dives out of the shotgun. The depth of the running back & quarterback creates an issue. It's not an issue in the pistol. Also there's no way to use a traditional fullback as a lead blocker out of the shotgun. It can be done out of the pistol. The pistol creates more options in the ground game but the shotgun allows the QB to see the entire field presnap & puts him almost at the proper depth for all routes in the route tree from a drop back/timing aspect.
This post was edited on 8/7/15 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 8/7/15 at 4:20 pm to timlan2057
The read option isn't a play that is designed to take the ball out of the RBs hands. It's designed to let the QB READ the defender and then choose which OPTION will give the team the most yards on the play.
I don't think we read read option with JJ. We ran more traditional options. Which sorta give the QB more room to say "frick it I'm taking this"
I don't think we read read option with JJ. We ran more traditional options. Which sorta give the QB more room to say "frick it I'm taking this"
Posted on 8/7/15 at 5:07 pm to SammyTiger
The read option and the jet sweep, when properly executed in this offense, can be effective in spreading out the defense and toning down their aggressiveness. If you combine these concepts with a good short yardage and screen passing game (which we never could manage to do last year), it gives the defense a ton to think about pre-snap.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 5:50 pm to nitwit
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in our offense, precisely because we have dangerous talent all over the field, the defense will be designed to make sure the QB keeps the ball. He is the least potent weapon and the defense knows it.
I really hope DCs are that stupid, when Harris is out there breaking 20 and 30 yard runs. Actually, this is usually the case. Harris's first year, people aren't going to know what to do, so he'll probably put up 600 or more yards on the ground. Not only that, the play action pass will be deadly off that.
I keep telling people, if Harris starts and starts all year, It's over for the SEC. That guy is going to have a breakout year running and passing the ball. He may make mistakes and throw 10-12 ints, but he's going to make up for it by being so damn dynamic and create so many explosive plays.
He won't face a better secondary that he faces right now.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 5:57 pm to BigBrod81
You are exactly right BigBrod81. The zone read allows us to leave the backside end unblocked. It can also be run as a midline and leave the 3T unblocked, this usually happens if you can't block him! It also gives the defense another look to prepare for. Throw in potential play action off the zone read that freezes the backers and safeties as you pointed out.
You can also fake zone one way and run jet sweep the other, or vice versa. I think it's a solid move and both Harris and Fournette have experience running it.
You can also fake zone one way and run jet sweep the other, or vice versa. I think it's a solid move and both Harris and Fournette have experience running it.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 6:36 pm to duboisd
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You are exactly right BigBrod81. The zone read allows us to leave the backside end unblocked. It can also be run as a midline and leave the 3T unblocked, this usually happens if you can't block him! It also gives the defense another look to prepare for. Throw in potential play action off the zone read that freezes the backers and safeties as you pointed out.
You can also fake zone one way and run jet sweep the other, or vice versa. I think it's a solid move and both Harris and Fournette have experience running it.
Bingo.
Oregon uses the zone read play fake to attack defenses down the seams relentlessly. I'm not sure I've seen an offense attack the seams like they do. The fake action delays the safety from getting to his proper depth, allowing for some chunk passing plays because TE's & slot receivers end up gettin unchecked, running uncovered down the seams.
Auburn, Texas A&M & many of the Big XII Air Raid attacks focus more on the outside receivers for their big plays downfield. They will occasionally hit seam passes but their intent is to attack vertically outside the numbers. It's a way to basically get man coverage on the outside even when a defense has a double or single high safety look. The fake can force a safety to be late in his responsibilities in staying as deep as the deepest receiver thus giving the opportunity for a big play by the WR against one defender.
This post was edited on 8/7/15 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 8/7/15 at 6:50 pm to duboisd
Yep, I hope we implement the read option (and PA passes off of it) this year.
This post was edited on 8/7/15 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 8/7/15 at 6:59 pm to timlan2057
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wever, I got frustrated at JJ--and frustrated at the present two--when they prematurely tuck and run. A significant part of our offensive problems involve having playmakers all over the field, but they are empty-handed while the ball is in the hands of the quarterback who is running.
One of JJ'S biggest weaknesses was his inability to keep his eyed down field where his pocket hot tighter.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 7:09 pm to timlan2057
The read option with good blocking is a very effective play. Either the RB or QB gets to the second level with one man to beat. All you have to do is look at how effective Ohio State was running the play. Their OL got good push on their assigned blocks, and they were able to punish opposing defenses, even Alabama's, with either the RB or QB. LSU has the OL, RB and QB to run the play very effectively, and it utilizes the skills of the QBs LSU has better than the I-formation.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 8:05 pm to timlan2057
quote:The postt doesn't make a lot of sense other than a QB draw. There's a reason they call it read, and it also has nothing to do with "tuck n run". The former deals with emol and the latter a pass play.
Anything to create a little deception is good, and if used right, will certainly help create even more space for the RB's behind that veteran OL.
What I'm a little apprehensive of is our overdoing it with designed plays where the qb keeps the ball.
JJ was a good running quarterback. Both AJ and BH are. Obviously, Mett was not. However, I got frustrated at JJ--and frustrated at the present two--when they prematurely tuck and run. A significant part of our offensive problems involve having playmakers all over the field, but they are empty-handed while the ball is in the hands of the quarterback who is running.
Having a good running quarterback is an asset for a busted play. However, when that good-running quarterback 1) prematurely tucks and runs and 2) the coaches call too many designed plays for that quarterback to run while we have blue-chip playmakers at RB and WR, then that plays a huge part in bogging an offense down.
I hope the Read opens things up for our RB's. I also hope it doesn't lead to the quarterbacks running keepers play after play and leaving Fournette and the WR's empty-handed
You're basically saying you don't want QB to make bad reads. How profound.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 10:03 pm to timlan2057
I hope we do a ton Of reads. Don't need QB to pull much. Just have to keep them honest.
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