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re: I get what BK was saying. Re; Daniels

Posted on 10/11/22 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
19093 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 12:10 pm to
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If people are blaming Daniels for this mess, they hate the kid plain and simple.


6.0 ypa (dead last in SEC) and 70% completion rate... He cannot push the ball upfield. I go to all the home games and see WRs wide open and waving their hands back at him and the bad thing is he is looking at them too and does not throw it.
Posted by Mobiletiggah
Mobile Alabama
Member since Mar 2021
2691 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 12:33 pm to
I see you ?? lots of problems with every aspect of the team…except Daniels. Well for the receivers to have drops the ball has to be thrown in the first place. There in lies the #1 problem. Don’t get me wrong, he’s the best QB LSU has had that I can remember at running for his life. But he can’t see receivers open, and, I think, is not confident in what routes are being run. Too many passes to nowhere.
Posted by drjeff17
lake charles, la.
Member since Aug 2008
1109 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 1:01 pm to
He was the same guy at asu. late decision making, average passer at best. Its time to prepare for next year. play Howard and let him get some experience.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20436 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 1:12 pm to
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He was the same guy at asu. late decision making, average passer at best. Its time to prepare for next year. play Howard and let him get some experience.

Howard is not going to play this year.

This year is going to frustrate a lot of people who just can't accept the fact that LSU is not good right now. I see people who keep bringing up "talent"- we aren't that talented as of now. If the WRs have it, they haven't shown it on the field.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10093 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 1:18 pm to
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He threw for 300 yds with 71% completion and ZERO interceptions.
The fade was picked (tRant's magic bullet 50/50 ball).
Just throw it and our NCAA best WR corp will eat.
Posted by stephendomalley
alexandria
Member since Dec 2005
5914 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 3:21 pm to
receivers made some great catches, and they botched a few. oline is not garbage. a good qb wouldn't have had a couple of the sacks that JD took, because you could see it coming with the defensive formation lined up against our offense.

and he won't throw the ball downfield. i'll give daniels credit that he did look better than he has, but how much is that saying?
Posted by TigerCard
Cleveland, OH
Member since Nov 2009
892 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 4:53 pm to
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Boutte runs into Taylor, yet the announcer blames Daniels.


I agree with most of what you write, but I would question this statement. Danielson stated that the reason Boutte ran into Taylor is because the ball had been snapped and Taylor was backpedaling to block, arguing that Daniels should have waited a tick longer before initiating the play so Boutte could clear the line. If that's the case, then yeah, Daniels was at fault on that particular play.
But I admit I haven't seen a replay, and that might not have been the case.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66749 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 4:57 pm to
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The fade was picked (tRant's magic bullet 50/50 ball). Just throw it and our NCAA best WR corp will eat.


It was a supremely weak effort on our WR’s part too
Posted by Htownbayubengal
Houston
Member since Oct 2022
1406 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 5:05 pm to
Can you blame them? You think any of them want Daniels at qb? They have gone through spring and Fall with him. Why do you think Boutee was so dejected. Dudes run wide open half the time only to look back and see him tucking it. Same at ASsu. I don't think many of us expect to win, but we now are so one dimensional teams now have the blueprint. About to get real ugly. Daniels can't pass down the field...period. give the strong armed freshman reps with the 1's...or maybe Kelly doesn't want to be second guessed.
Posted by Htownbayubengal
Houston
Member since Oct 2022
1406 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 5:07 pm to
You sure defend Daniels at all cost. Wonder why?
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
25067 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 5:33 pm to
The issue is multi-layered; it's not just one player, or just one coach, or just one WR, RB, or even one position group.

We are in a total rebuild -- everything, top to bottom. This is lost on some people. I understand heading into the season everyone was pumped and excited, but the reality of what was left after Ed is much more sobering, and we're all seeing it now in full light of day.

JD isn't great, and he isn't a disaster, but the QB position is a glaring weakness on this team. And while it's not fair to lay it all at his feet, the burden of being the QB is that you are usually public enemy number one when things don't go so well.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20436 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 5:47 pm to
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You sure defend Daniels at all cost. Wonder why?
Christ, some of you are miserable.

If/when I and others defend Daniels, it's because people are hysterically blaming him for everything.

Daniels is not great. He's looked better than Nussmeier when they both played in games.

Daniels is not the sole reason we've lost 2 games. The losses are team losses, and a different QB wouldn't have fixed the problems.

We've had disasters trying to return kicks, we've been unable to establish any sort of consistent running game, our preseason All American WR has been MIA, our starting TE seems to catch at around a 50% rate, only Nabers has shown any sort of consistency.
Our defense has improved from game 1, but still seems to get burned a couple times a game. Our secondary is about average (below typical LSU standards), and we seem to have one linebacker (the freshman Perkins) who's good.

This is not a playoff caliber team, we're probably going to be destroyed by Alabama. We look to match up ok with Arky, Fla, A&M, could win or lose vs those. Ole Miss, I suspect trouble, simply because Kiffen knows how to score points.

Kelly is not holding this team back, and Daniels isn't the reason we've lost.

People need to get realistic and hope for 8-4, that would be a great 1st season of a massive rebuild.
Posted by Htownbayubengal
Houston
Member since Oct 2022
1406 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 5:49 pm to
I'm not sure that he isn't becoming a disaster as we get into sec play and defenses start loading up box. He can't pass down field, surely you see that by now. He isn't having the running success anymore either. It is glaring and just my dumb opinion, is fixing to get worse.
Posted by Htownbayubengal
Houston
Member since Oct 2022
1406 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 5:56 pm to
Miserable? Dude I'm objective. He can't read a defense presnap, has no idea where pressure is coming. He therefore never knows to go to hot read...even if he could see them. Players are open, but he is looking for 4-5 yards open...ain't happening without a bust. He tucks way too early...and now that defenses are wising up it is worse.

I'm not miserable. Apparently we aren't watching the same progression of our QB. No line will look good with a loaded box because zero down field passing threat. Nuss looked terrible against Southern, trying to press, but you aren't being honest about other times because he looked good against NM and Auburn despite the drops...and he has a higher upside as a freshman...Daniels is what he is now. You guys hate objective. I have no idea whether nuss will ever cut it, still years left to play and young. I do know Daniels won't improve at this point.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20436 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 6:11 pm to
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Nuss looked terrible against Southern, trying to press, but you aren't being honest about other times because he looked good against NM and Auburn despite the drops...and he has a higher upside as a freshman...
Howard is going to be the QB of the future. Daniels and/or Nuss are just placeholders in the meantime (as in, this year). Daniels is ahead of Nuss this year.

Not sure how that's so hard to understand.

What did you expect our record to be? I was hoping for 8-4, but I was factoring in Fla State as a W.
Posted by Lsutigerphan
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
58 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 6:20 pm to
You are correct sir with your assessment of JD. If the defense knows you cannot throw the football and only 1 dimensional, they are going to crowd the line with everyone in the box daring you to run. JD is the root cause of our inefficiency on offense.
This post was edited on 10/11/22 at 6:22 pm
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
9275 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 6:29 pm to
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K. Taylor both got beat numerous times on their blocks.


Kole's lack of development as a junior is having a negative impact on offensive performance. Has taken almost 3 years to add 25 lbs and he still can't block in-line to save his life, he gets rag dolled at will, and his receiving is nonexistent as the staff prefers to go to M Taylor as he is more athletic. That's why M. Taylor is getting so many snaps per game and he doesn't block well either but what do you expect from a true freshman vs quality SEC defenders. LSU needs 2 more plug and play physical TE's that are willing to block + sign at least 2 quality TE's this class, and find a legit center that is physical enough for the position. I am not a JD fan, 4 seasons in and still has the same issues as when he showed up on campus.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
12010 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 6:31 pm to
The quarterback always gets the credit, or blame. Every offensive play goes through the QB.
Who gets mentioned most on our championship teams.
Who gets most of the blame when we fail.
Daniels is not enough of a complete player to carry the team.
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
4792 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 6:31 pm to
We can win with JD only if the Def, ST and running game get their act together. We are not going to beat a top 10 team. Don't get delusional over losses to bama and OM. The rest are 40/60 w/l
Posted by Htownbayubengal
Houston
Member since Oct 2022
1406 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 6:45 pm to
You honestly don't know that Daniels is better. If he is worse than daniels then he better quit football because Daniels is not close to a sec qb. I feel bad for him, should have gone wr route. Walker may be the future, I hope, but nuss has all the tools as well, and again, is a freshman...just needs to get real reps. I thought 7-5...that is not happening I don't think...will need an upset to get to 6-6.
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