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re: I don’t think the 2-pt try was JUST “cajones.”

Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:58 am to
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:58 am to
It was 100% the right call. All the XP does is provide fleeting comfort of keeping the game going, but it then opens up even more decisions and chances to deal with. The 2 point play for the win is as controlled an environment as you can get to win a game.
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
85044 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:03 am to
I think most everyone thinks it’s the right decision, especially with hindsight and breaking everything down after having days to process.

The question is, in the heat of the moment, on a national stage, with 100k screaming fans, did it take cajones to make the call?

The OP says no.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59130 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:08 am to
I think most people don’t realize the change to OT rules. If we kick the PAT and tie the game, the next possession you have to go for 2. If it’s still tied after that it’s nothing but going for 2. Going 2nd in the first OT means we go first in the 2nd. Going second is a HUGE advantage. I’d expect going for 2 in that situation should be the play for most teams especially if you’re the underdog
Posted by mallardhank
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2006
1277 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:08 am to
At that point in the game, I was so proud of our boys it still would have felt like a win had we lost the game.
Second, they ran that same play for a TD earlier in the season. I knew what was going to happen and by God it did. So damn proud.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18154 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:10 am to
the 2nd OT was going to be only 2-point plays, so going for 2 in the 1st OT wasn't as crazy as some think it was.

But it was a strong move, and I was happy Kelly went for it, whether we made it or not.
Posted by Palomitz
Miami
Member since Oct 2009
2218 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:14 am to
quote:

“cajones,”


It's cojones, baw. Spanish slang term for 'big balls'.
Actually 'cajones' means "big boxes" in Spanish.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28470 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:18 am to
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It was actually insane.


It was actually very, very sane. You have the ball at the 2 yard line with a chance to beat a 14 point favorite, on your home field, without them ever touching the ball again. You want to turn that down? Turning that opportunity down to go to a second OT and giving an Alabama offense that had scored points on each of their previous 4 possessions would have been more insane. You don't need hindsight. That was 100% the right call in the moment. In fact, if you give me the ball on the two yard line with the chance to win the game on one play I'm taking it 100% of the time.

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Had it failed, every last one of you would be calling for Kelly's head today.


Who gives a shite? It is year 1 for Kelly in a season where expectations will be the lowest in his entire LSU tenure. There was ZERO personal risk for him from a job security perspective in making that decision, and everything to gain. If it failed he still showed the players he believed in them. If it was successful...well...you are seeing the fruits of that.

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Your successor just had a bigger win, in his 10th game as a head coach, than you've had in your entire career. Yes, your Irish defeated #3 Clemson (in overtime) 2 years ago, but if memory serves, Trevor Lawrence was out that game along with 3 defensive starters, and when you played them again 6 weeks later, Clemson squished you like a bug, 34-10.


Yes, I'm sure ND fans are thrilled with their 6-3 record (including a home loss to 5-4 Marshall) one season after going 11-1 just because they beat Clemson. Freeman has lost almost as many games (4) in his first 10 games as Kelly did at ND in his last four YEARS (6). I'm sure BK had a brief thought of "we might want to play it safe here. Notre Dame is on the verge of a Cheez-it Bowl birth. I'm going to be crushed for leaving that kind of success if this 2 point try fails."

Win or lose, it was the right call
Posted by RightWingTiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2003
5319 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:19 am to
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Let’s face it, bad throw, dropped pass
I know it was mentioned during the “In Game” thread but since that I haven’t seen many people mention just how “Good” the pass JD5 threw on the 2pt attempt was!

After rewatching the end of the game a few times the difficulty, timing & accuracy of that pass & catch really jumps out at you.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7136 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:25 am to
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But miss 2 point conversion? You will be 2nd guessed for eternity


The second guessing came when we lost to Florida State on a blocked PAT - especially as JD got better in the following weeks. This one was almost a freebie.
“Well everyone bitched about not going for the win when we lost to Florida State!”
Easy out.

ETA: I would have been too scared to go for 2 in the Bama game. Couldn’t believe he had the balls to do it but it was the stuff legends are made of.
This post was edited on 11/7/22 at 9:27 am
Posted by RightWingTiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2003
5319 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:30 am to
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Do not give the refs another opportunity to put their own stink on the end and gift it to them like we've seen happen so many times before.
He may never admit it, but I absolutely believe that the 2 god awful replay/review bullshite calls definitely factored into CBKs decision to go for it.

Its why so many of us LSU fans felt & even said out loud to “Go For 2” right here, right now (Fuk It) win or lose at least itll be LSUs to win or lose & not have it just handed to Bama.
Posted by St8lyOaks
Member since Dec 2015
267 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:37 am to
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It was 100% the right call. All the XP does is provide fleeting comfort of keeping the game going, but it then opens up even more decisions and chances to deal with. The 2 point play for the win is as controlled an environment as you can get to win a game.



This is exactly right. It only took cojones in the sense that if it had failed, BK would be second-guessed by the media and by not-so-bright people who wanted him to…do what exactly? Play for 2OT and hope that you’re somehow in a better situation the next time around?

OT is a crapshoot; they showed the stat that before Saturday LSU was 8-8 all time in OT, Bama was 7-8, and the teams were 2-2 head to head. That’s a coin flip. The situation we were in after the TD was the most control we would ever have over the outcome, and BK absolutely made the correct call whether it had worked or not. And I’d be here defending him even if it had failed.
Posted by TDTiger225
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2019
1415 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:02 am to
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Listening to Coach’s response at the press conference when the guy asked about “cajones,” I was impressed with how much thought went into the decision, and quickly.
They already knew what they were planning to do if that scenario arose before the game started. It makes sense now that you think about it. You get the ball second in the first OT and the other team scores the TD, you go for 2 the first time while you are in the driver's seat rather than give the other team the advantage in the 2nd OT.

What was even better is that they planned and executed it as well as they could to catch Bama as off guard as possible. They even made sure to allow their 12th man off the field rather than take the penalty and allow Bama the time to regroup and change personnel.

I'm still not sure why don't try to win with a field goal the way TN did. We had 20 seconds, 2 time outs, and we were getting chunk plays at times in this game. I'm sure he had his reasons for that as well. Did anyone hear his explanation for that?
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65069 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:10 am to
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I don’t think the 2-pt try was “cajones.”


It was just the smart and correct decision. It didn't need balls to make, just a smart coach cognizant of the situation.

If we don't go for 2, the best case scenario is we score TD in OT 2, stop Alabama, and win the game. OR we both score TDs, Alabama fails on their 2 point play and we convert ours. Based on how the 4th quarter played out, that wasn't the most likely of outcomes to stop them from the 25 and score a TD ourselves.

Worst case scenario is we both score TDs in OT #2 and go to a 2 point conversion contest where it's a coin flip just like our 2 point conversion was to win the game.

With the new OT rules, rules I think are dumb to get that out of the way, I think it should be a no-brainer (especially when playing a team like Alabama) to go for 2 if you have the ball second in OT #1.

I don't have the benefit of having all the numbers in front of me like the staff, but I am willing to bet the percentages were in our favor of converting there rather than winning in a second OT or a subsequent 2 point contest.

I think in any OT situation like that, if you have the chance to win the game from the 2 yard line you take it every single time. I would also say the same thing had we been in that same situation at the end of regulation. We should have gone for 2 to beat Florida St as well, and I said that the minute we scored to put us down 1 as time expired. I think Kelly learned a lot by how that FSU game ended.

All that to say, I completely agree. It didn't take balls, but rather it took a smart coach completely aware of the situation, and that's something we haven't had in a long time. Sure, Les, early in his career at least, made his mark being the "riverboat gambler" with his fake FGs and trick plays that worked at a remarkable clip, but that's not what Kelly's call Saturday night was. That is just a smart coach, and I'm so thankful we were able to hire him.
This post was edited on 11/7/22 at 10:14 am
Posted by Skervix
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:16 am to
Tell us you're retarded without actually saying you're retarded.
Posted by Tiger in Omaha
Omaha
Member since Mar 2019
4039 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:17 am to
quote:

the 2nd OT was going to be only 2-point plays, so going for 2 in the 1st OT wasn't as crazy as some think it was.

Wrong. The going for the 2-point play only doesn't start until the third OT. In the second OT, you have to go for two after a TD - you can still kick a FG in the second OT.
Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
8184 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:18 am to
i was screaming for it when JD scored. you play to win, that's what playing to win looks like. Absolute right call.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65069 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:18 am to
quote:

Your successor just had a bigger win, in his 10th game as a head coach, than you've had in your entire career. Yes, your Irish defeated #3 Clemson (in overtime) 2 years ago, but if memory serves, Trevor Lawrence was out that game along with 3 defensive starters, and when you played them again 6 weeks later, Clemson squished you like a bug, 34-10.

Oh FFS, Alabama would smoke Clemson. The only thing that made it maybe a bigger win is Notre Dame is a lot worse team and it was a much bigger upset. Clemson has struggled in over half their games this year and it was only a matter of time before they finally slipped up.

What his predecessor has done is take a team Kelly built with a lot of returning talent and led them to a 3-3 start to the season with losses to Marshall (5-4) and Stanford (3-6)
quote:

but if memory serves, Trevor Lawrence was out that game along with 3 defensive starters, and when you played them again 6 weeks later, Clemson squished you like a bug, 34-10.

If memory serves, Notre Dame was playing the exact same QB Saturday that Kelly beat, only Clemson is not nearly the team everywhere else they were when Kelly beat them 2 years ago.

Honestly, it's people like you that will never be satisfied with Kelly because you've already drawn a line in the sand that he isn't a good coach. He's now had back to back wins over top 10 team, but apparently that isn't good enough, and the only reason you can come up with is if had he lost people's reactions may have been different. Really?
This post was edited on 11/7/22 at 10:20 am
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164339 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:20 am to
It was the easy call to make with the new OT rules

You have to start going for 2 anyways starting with the 2nd OT

It wasn’t a guarantee LSU was ever going to find themselves in that spot again with a chance to end the game with one play on their own terms.
Posted by Tiger in Omaha
Omaha
Member since Mar 2019
4039 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:21 am to
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It was actually insane.

Had it failed, every last one of you would be calling for Kelly's head today.

But congrats, Coach Kelly. Great home overtime win over a decent Bama team.

Your successor just had a bigger win, in his 10th game as a head coach, than you've had in your entire career. Yes, your Irish defeated #3 Clemson (in overtime) 2 years ago, but if memory serves, Trevor Lawrence was out that game along with 3 defensive starters, and when you played them again 6 weeks later, Clemson squished you like a bug, 34-10.

Oh, and you're still a douchenozzle.

Still butt-hurt aren't you, GoldenDumber. '...a decent Bama team'. Don't know much about or watch much college football, do you? Not surprising for an Irish fan.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39642 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:25 am to
It's only a gutsy call to people who don't understand it. Either of going for two or kicking the PAT are gambles. Choosing one over the other isn't guts; it's a calculated decision.

Of all people, it was Les Miles who explained it after he went for the TD against Auburn when a field goal would have won it. After the game they asked him why he took such a gamble when they were already in FG range. Miles said, "Trying a FG is also a gamble". Miles was exactly right. So is kicking a PAT to go to another OT.
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