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re: Hey look, another shutout in TD Ameritrade Park

Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:33 pm to
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56011 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:33 pm to
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people here are making it seem like gale-force winds are blowing at TDAmeritrade park. Good lord, maybe the wind affects the ball's carry a bit, but it surely doesn't affect hard hit grounders and line drives. Just hit the damn ball hard and you'll score runs. Blaming it all on the park and the wind is just silly.


Have you watched any of these games this year? Ibarra smoked two balls that in most any other parks in the country (except the hoover met) would be gone. The MSU OSU opening round game, ball is crushed squared it up perfectly ball flies off the bat and it falls at the warning track.

You can hit it out of this park, but its is extremely difficult.

Sports Science describes it perfectly

LINK

Now you are correct we shouldn't blame LSU's loses on the wind or the park or whatever, but these people here are not complaining about how LSU played or that the stadium was the reason we lost. LSU didn't play well we all know that.

What people are complaining about is that the CWS is getting boring and there isn't enough offense.

through 10 games the average number of runs per game is 3 (per team)

in the 2010 College world sereies (last year with the old bats) average runs per game was about 5 (4.8125) so that is a 2 run a game (a team) difference. Doesn't sound like much but it makes a big difference. But it is, most games would would have some good offense but there would be enough pitching so keep teams at bay. For example USCe won Game 2 of the championship series 2-1 . Actually USC pitched very well holding teams to under 3 runs per game.

My point is that moving stadium and chaning bats have ruined the CWS, its boring it doesn't punish pitchers for making a mistake pitch.

They need to change the balls, the bats and move in the fences (do one of three and we will all be happy)

I would hope for between 3.5 and 4.5 runs per game per team. That is good baseball. Having lots of 1-0, 2-1, 3-2. Games is fun for the pitchers of the game and has drama. But most fans don't like these low scoring games. OMaha will see an impact on their pocket books if this low scoring trend continues.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 12:48 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:39 pm to
tl,dr the whole thing, but aren't the dimensions the same as the Box?
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
22331 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:40 pm to
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Blaming it all on the park and the wind is just silly


Blaming? Blaming what?

LSU lost and would lose the contest being played with that team almost every time.

The brand of baseball being played in LSU's heyday was extraordinarily slanted to the hitters. Pitchers were making good pitches that hitters could miss and still achieve a good result outside of normal limits.

In the name of safety, the bats and balls have been changed. For the average college ballpark, the pitchers now have more of an advantage.

But, the combination of BBCOR, seam size on the balls, and prevailing winds in Omaha, has now tilted the scales so far in the direction of pitching and defense, that the game is out of balance, especially for deciding a national champion.

On top of that, the umpires are compounding these effects by using a liberal strike zone.

I'm guessing for someone to bother responding in a thread of this manner, they have spent some time around the ballparks. The beauty of the game and its dimensions, and the way the timing of ground balls and fly balls are played with distance of the bases, etc. is perfect in its harmony.

The game starts with a pitcher's approach to the batter. Speed and location are key. They've all been taught since childhood to keep the ball down for a reason. As they get older and the game gets more complicated, they realize there are some hitters in a normal lineup that you will get penalized more if you make a mistake high, yet some hitters it's worth the risk to make them chase.

The pitchers in Omaha are not getting penalized enough, just as it used to be for hitters. The game is out of balance. It will be addressed, I'm 100% sure of it. Mostly because it will eventually result in loss of revenue. ESPN will demand it.

If it's all about safety, I propose we introduce these existing conditions to MLB. There has been 3 recent incidents involving skull fractures using wooden bats. Does anyone think this will happen? Of course not.

I think the most telling sign that these games in Omaha are out of whack is positioning of the outfield. Without having to respect consistent deep power, they have so much less ground to cover, thereby reducing the hitters' opportunities to drop one in front.

Outside of my children's travel ball teams playing on oversized and undersized fields, I have never seen it this bad. You might see normal depth for one hitter in a team's entire lineup. Honestly, outside of 1 or 2 ABs a game in this series, every game could be played without an outfield wall.

In conclusion of this long response, mostly for my benefit and sanity, what we are witnessing in Omaha relates more to 1900's baseball than it does to the game that multiple recent generations have come to know and love. The balance between pitcher, batter, and fielder does not exist in Omaha anymore.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56011 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:49 pm to
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tl,dr the whole thing, but aren't the dimensions the same as the Box?



no

5 on the lines
10 in the power allies
3 to straight away center.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56011 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:51 pm to
to sum my post

2010 old bats at the blatt about 9.6 runs per game (4.8 per team)
2012 new bats at TDA 6 runs a game (3 per team)
Posted by LongTime Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
2458 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:36 pm to
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Golfer
Hey look, another shutout in TD Ameritrade Park
It's virtually impossible to drive a ball into the gap in this park because of its size. Even on a rope, the OF is playing so shallow they can cut it off before it gets to the wall.



Doesn't make sense. If play shallow-defenders have less time to get to ball & cut it off so more balls would roll near fence Ex. Play infield in-raises batting avgs nearly 100 pts

Playing OF shallow would limit bloop singles but might allow some to be driven over their heads
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56011 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:39 pm to
park just took away another homerun.

that is probabyl up to at-least 10 homeruns in this park and only 2 actually ended up homeruns.
Posted by NutHanger Farm
Member since Jun 2013
200 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:45 pm to
I agree with hating the park. I wish they would change it, know idea if they will. Same with Bats and Balls.

I do not know nearly as much about baseball as some of you but I get it pretty well.

Despite all the issues with the park - it seemed we had baserunners in position with 3 4 coming up in lineup. We just get 2 base hits we would have scored. We had some guys really slump - that cant be denied. Also - I heard UNC moved a guy low in line up up because he had power.

I felt Jacoby started playing like the Jacoby the scouts loved last year in post season. I think he should have batted behind Katz. Cover him a little plus he would have been up with lots of chances for rbi's.
Posted by Kajuncook
St.Francisville
Member since Mar 2011
476 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 3:27 pm to
Rae crushed a ball that was caught at the top of the fence In TDA park. That ball would have be out of 99.9 % of the parks in any park in the US . They have played with these bats all
Year with good results. The balls their using for the CWS Are dead. Like hitting a cabbage ball it doesn't any where fast
--- this ball has made all pitchers look like Cy Young candidates.
Absurd to mess with the game this way.
As I'm writing this --- a guy jerks one out--- 3rd HR of CWS.lol
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 4:34 pm
Posted by FightinTiga
Pumpkin Center
Member since Feb 2009
20745 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 3:29 pm to
This team did not look prepared for Omaha,similar to the SR last season.The inability to make adjustments at the plate once again was their demise.
Posted by Thunder Tiger
Member since Sep 2011
2608 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 3:40 pm to
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As I'm writing this --- a guy jerks one out 3rd HR of CWS.lol
Yep, 3rd HR ... in the 10th frickin' game.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27834 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 3:40 pm to
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Playing OF shallow would limit bloop singles but might allow some to be driven over their heads

Except the ball doesn't fly there, it hangs up. So the threat of a ball over someone's head isn't what you normally think it would be.
Posted by Kajuncook
St.Francisville
Member since Mar 2011
476 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 4:35 pm to
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This team did not look prepared for Omaha,similar to the SR last season.The inability to make adjustments at the plate once again was their demise.


I'm in agreement
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61838 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 4:46 pm to
Oregon St, not a good team. Only scored 1 run. Albeaver says the good teams adjust.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
22331 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:55 pm to
Did you catch UCLA head coach's interview a few minutes ago?

He said, and I quote, "They made a couple of mistakes, and we put the ball in play."

Now isn't that baseball at its finest?

Not squared up, in the gap, against the wall, over the fence, or even on a line. IN PLAY.

Does that not sum up the CWS in Omaha?
Posted by tigertalkster
Member since Dec 2009
644 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:33 pm to
Pitchers aren't even trying to be cute they know if they get behind they can throw it down the middle and most likely worse case they give up a single. Also am I the only one that has noticed the strike zone is still huge like its gorilla ball days
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