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re: Hester v. KW
Posted on 4/24/10 at 6:59 pm to DByrd2
Posted on 4/24/10 at 6:59 pm to DByrd2
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Any time you get a ST player with two TD's, including a blocked punt on the year, and he doesn't have KR as his label, I would say it's worth a 3rd round pick.
frick no. If your 3rd round drafted RB only produces two tds and 98 yards in his 2nd season you should be disappointed.
This post was edited on 4/24/10 at 7:01 pm
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Posted on 4/24/10 at 10:42 pm to Hot Carl
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I agree, and think that Keiland should have gotten more carries to spell Hester in '07 and Charles in '08 and '09. But only to the end that it would make LSU a better football team, not because he "deserved" it.
Oh for frick sake, must we quibble over vocabulary usage? Let me re-phrase. I thought Williams play MERITED him (Williams) getting more carries.
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There's more to talent than just running fast. I think Hester was more decisive, had better vision, made better cuts, and was overall just more dependable.
I agree and while Hester fits what you are saying, I saw nothing that indicated KW was lacking in those area's, especially his big plays against VT and Auburn and lets not forget the end of the 2006 season when I think KW had 4 strait (or maybe 4 of 5) 100 yd games. At that point the coaching staff felt KW gave them the best chance to win. Maybe his practices showed weakness some areas like vision and decision making? We did change OC's between 06 and 07, maybe KW didn't adapt as well, or Crowton felt Hester was abetter fit, who knows.
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I'm not sure I agree with that
this thread was started by a so called LSU fan so he could rub it in people's faces that Williams wasn't drafted.
This post was edited on 4/24/10 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 4/24/10 at 10:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
Hester 
Posted on 4/25/10 at 10:08 am to H-Town Tiger
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this thread was started by a so called LSU fan so he could rub it in people's faces that Williams wasn't drafted.
and you're the LSU fan who thinks Hester is a second rate rb?
Posted on 4/25/10 at 10:11 am to ironsides
No one has hated on hester in this thread
all the bashing has been directed towards
keiland
all the bashing has been directed towards
keiland
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:33 am to DBG
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all the bashing has been directed towards
This from Louie T (directed towards Hester) "they sure as frick didn't draft him to be one of the worst actual RBs/FBs in the NFL"
If that's not a bash, I don't know what is.
The thread was not started to bash KW. Rather, it was started to show that the draft was strong evidence that Hester was the better back. Many on the Rant constantly posted that Hester shouldn't have been the feature back and that KW was better. The fact that Hester was drafted 3rd and KW wasn't even drafted is pretty strong evidence that LSU coaches were seeing the same thing that the NFL coaches saw.
This post was edited on 4/25/10 at 11:36 am
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:46 am to Stevo
its already been proven that draft position has no correlation to who was a better player in college
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:52 am to DBG
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its already been proven that draft position has no correlation to who was a better player in college
yeah right. It's not 100%, but there is a very strong correlation between draft status and a player's ability. If you think KW was a better back, that's fine. But to argue that the draft has zero relevance as to which player was the better RB is absurd.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:53 am to ironsides
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and you're the LSU fan who thinks Hester is a second rate rb?
you, but you are an LSU fan that sucks at logic, I said I thought KW was better, someone doesn't have to be 2nd rate to be not as good as someone else. Nice try though.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:54 am to Stevo
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Shame that many on here didn't appreciate Hester when we had him.
Who in the frick doesn't appreciate Hester?
Posted on 4/25/10 at 11:58 am to Stevo
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But to argue that the draft has zero relevance as to which player was the better RB is absurd.
man, there are literally hundreds of examples of players getting drafted before someone who was better in college
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:02 pm to DBG
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man, there are literally hundreds of examples of players getting drafted before someone who was better in college
agreed, there are many. Nevertheless, there is still a strong correlation between draft status and a player's ability.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:04 pm to Stevo
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If you think KW was a better back, that's fine. But to argue that the draft has zero relevance as to which player was the better RB is absurd.
If they were taken in the same draft, you would have a better point. But things happened in the intervening 2 years, KW got hurt a couple of times, he bulked up and the offense was terrible.
However, during the 2007 season we did not know that stuff. At the end of the 2006 season an Offensive Coordinator that had a NC already thought KW was good enough to be the feature RB and he has several 100 yd games during that streak. That combined with the big plays he made against VT and AU are why some of us thought (still think) he was the better option to at least get more carries than he did. The opinion was based his on field production which can not be disputed. A draft 2.5 years later does not change that.
This post was edited on 4/25/10 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:38 pm to Stevo
Hester should have learned how to block like a real fullback IMO. That '07 team with him committed to playing fullback would have been so versatile in the backfield with Williams/Scott lined up behind him in the I.
His skills out of the backfield and short yardage running could have been a huge bonus at FB, and the RB position would have been handled by more versatile backs.
His skills out of the backfield and short yardage running could have been a huge bonus at FB, and the RB position would have been handled by more versatile backs.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:42 pm to DBG
quote:this shows how stupid some fans are,as much as some hate les miles dont you think there were reasons for kw to be benched.
A true frosh keiland came in late in 2006 and took the starting job from Hester and alley broussard then miles said frick him
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:55 pm to Hot Carl
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but honestly he had no position.
i think he had multiple positions, which should have made getting him the ball easier
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"frick no, frick those fricking freshman"?
he's just conservative
he'd rather take no risks
an upperclassmen will almost assuredly understand what he's doing better. now that guy may be chris mitchell, who doesn't produce, but he'll be running the right routes and being covered all day
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:56 pm to Stevo
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If you think KW was a better back, that's fine. But to argue that the draft has zero relevance as to which player was the better RB is absurd.
who thinks hester was better than scott?
scott also got drafted well below where hester did
Posted on 4/25/10 at 12:58 pm to tigerswin03
This is too stupid for words.
Either Hester AND Scott are demonstrably better RB's than KW or the LSU staff and the entire NFL are engaged in a conspiracy against Keiland such that they unanimously disregard their own personal interest to further that conspiracy.
Give it up.
KW underperformed, to the disappointment of us all.
Either Hester AND Scott are demonstrably better RB's than KW or the LSU staff and the entire NFL are engaged in a conspiracy against Keiland such that they unanimously disregard their own personal interest to further that conspiracy.
Give it up.
KW underperformed, to the disappointment of us all.
Posted on 4/25/10 at 1:03 pm to nitwit
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KW underperformed,
i'd agree if he wasn't so effective when he did get carries
i'm not claiming any conspiracies
he was not the type of RB miles wants. it's as simple as that
he has a major flag for the NFL for being productive as hell 1 year and then not getting the same production. also he hurt his ankle at a horrible time, put on weight, and didn't run as expected (while still respectable and faster than hester and scott)
was his career disappointing? yes
did keiland perform when he got touches? yes
Posted on 4/25/10 at 1:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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who thinks hester was better than scott?
scott also got drafted well below where hester did
hester was/is a better football player than both, which was reflected in the draft. Whether one or the other (or the other) can execute certain plays at specific positions better isn't really relevant.
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