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re: Herb Tyler versus JJ, who would you rather have?
Posted on 5/21/11 at 11:28 am to tduecen
Posted on 5/21/11 at 11:28 am to tduecen
Agreed I really cant see where JJ was thrown into the fire too early. In his freshman season he came in against Ole Miss in a game LSU was already way behind. He then played against an Arkansas team with a weak defense. He then had a month to prepare for a GT team that LSU clearly had much more talent than.
There are plenty of qb's who started beginning their sophmore season and the couple of games Jefferson started as a freshman could only help going into his sophmore season. Crowton may have had his deficiencies but some of the lack of development and regression has to fall on JJ's shoulders. As the previous poster pointed out Lee has steadily improved his attempt to Int ratio and Jefferson has steadily digressed with the same coaching! You cant put all that on Crowton.
There are plenty of qb's who started beginning their sophmore season and the couple of games Jefferson started as a freshman could only help going into his sophmore season. Crowton may have had his deficiencies but some of the lack of development and regression has to fall on JJ's shoulders. As the previous poster pointed out Lee has steadily improved his attempt to Int ratio and Jefferson has steadily digressed with the same coaching! You cant put all that on Crowton.
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Posted on 5/21/11 at 12:11 pm to tduecen
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Matt Stafford Jay Cutler Tyler Bray David Greene just to name a few....
Wasn't Greene a RS Fr when he started playing?
Whatever the case, not many 18 yrs olds have been asked to step into the pressure cooker of a NC college football program at the QB slot as a starter.
Hence my comment that too much was asked/expected too soon.
If you disagree, whatever floats your boat.
Posted on 5/21/11 at 12:14 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:That season wasn't a pressure cooker, LSU had already lost 4 games and was long gone out of contention before Jefferson took over the starting QB role.
not many 18 yrs olds have been asked to step into the pressure cooker of a NC college football program at the QB slot as a starter.
In 2009 you have an argument as there were new expectations, but also then you lose the argument about him being an 18 year old starting QB, as he turned 19.
Posted on 5/21/11 at 1:00 pm to tduecen
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That season wasn't a pressure cooker
For an 18 year old getting a start for the defending national champions???
You must have been a special 18 yr old if you wouldn't have felt like you had jumped into a pressure cooker in the same type situation.
It was the same, if not worse, for JL, but at lease he had a year+ in the program and it will be the same for Mett.
When you play/coach for a Top 5 football program among BCS schools since 2000, you are always in a pressure cooker.
Posted on 5/21/11 at 1:08 pm to Lonnie4LSU
His point was that most of the pressure was off because we had already lost 4 games and weren't playing for anything by the time he took over as starter.
Posted on 5/21/11 at 1:11 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:You should mean for an 18 year old coming into the end of a season on a 4 loss team
For an 18 year old getting a start for the defending national champions???
Posted on 5/21/11 at 1:12 pm to MOT
quote:Lonnie knows the point, I would hope he isn't that ignorant. He is just arguing for the sake of arguing really.
His point was that most of the pressure was off because we had already lost 4 games and weren't playing for anything by the time he took over as starter.
Posted on 5/21/11 at 1:46 pm to Rudy40
If anyone was thrown into the fire too early it was jlee not jj
Posted on 5/21/11 at 3:07 pm to MOT
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His point was that most of the pressure was off
I know his point and yours.
I don't agree.
Anytime you go from sub to starter for a team like LSU, the pressure on the player increases. imo
This post was edited on 5/21/11 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 5/21/11 at 3:08 pm to RobbBobb
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Because you would have preferred the 4 loss '09 season, or the possible 5 loss team from last yr that a Lee-less season would have produced??
this is so stupid because just think what the record would have been with a JJ-less season. Could you have delt with an 8-10 loss season with JL/TC at QB?
Posted on 5/21/11 at 3:55 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:That goes for any player, but to assume there was more pressure because LSU was coming off a national title is absurd. LSU was not in title contention when Jefferson took over, LSU was not in the hunt for an SEC Title, LSU was just playing football. He came into a situation with the least amount of pressure as possible, starting a the last game of the year for a team that had little to play for at that point.
Anytime you go from sub to starter for a team like LSU, the pressure on the player increases. imo
Posted on 5/21/11 at 5:01 pm to tduecen
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this is so stupid because just think what the record would have been with a JJ-less season. Could you have delt with an 8-10 loss season with JL/TC at QB?
That is highly questionable given how awful JJ played in 9-13 games. Again here are his stats I really dont think Lee would have done worse as a full time starter and it is possible he could have done better. In your scenario they would have had to lose some games such as West Va or Vandy where JJ put up horrible numbers or McNeese where JJ amassed 4 yards total offense or ULM where he put up 47. Not to mention Florida or Tenn where he was nothing but a drag on the offense.
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Posted on 5/21/11 at 6:28 pm to Rudy40
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it is possible he could have done better
it's highly doubtfull considering how he played in his limited playing time during the season. I still think we should of at least given TC a chance last season in spots just to give JJ a break.
Posted on 5/21/11 at 7:15 pm to boxcar willie
quote:So if Lee were to start LSU was an 8-10 loss team.... well I guess we know your motives now
this is so stupid because just think what the record would have been with a JJ-less season. Could you have delt with an 8-10 loss season with JL/TC at QB?
Posted on 5/22/11 at 12:16 am to tduecen
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it's highly doubtfull considering how he played in his limited playing time during the season. I still think we should of at least given TC a chance last season in spots just to give JJ a break.
Um considering Lee had a higher qb rating,a better completion percentage and a much better attempt vs int ratio I think it is definitely possible LSU could have won more games with a qb who didnt kill the offense in 9 out of 13 games like JJ did.
Posted on 5/22/11 at 12:56 am to boxcar willie
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Could you have delt with an 8-10 loss season with JL/TC at QB?
How in the hell could the offense have been worse with these two? Can you look at stats and interpret what you see?
Good god, some people are so loyal to a single player their minds turn to jelly.
Do you realize how shitty the passing game was last year? I am all for hoping the QB position will improve in the coming season, but let's not even pretend it was decent last year.
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