re: "He can recruit, but he can't coach." ---Dan Patrick

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So Miles gets no credit for having a spectacular defense? Yes Miles recruited (one of the very few to even offer TM7) and coached what may go down as one of the greatest defenses in the history of LSU. Yet some fans view that as a negative? I don't get it. But that team wasn't all defense. That team averaged 35.7 ppg and 355.1 yards of offense. Funny how people want to give Miles all of the blame but none of the credit for anything. Somebody who leads a team to a NC and a 13-0 season in the SEC CAN coach. F Dan Patrick, national media's version of Finebaum in my view.

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You're reading into what I said what you want... Miles gets full credit for 2011, including defense. However, if that's what is required every year to do get to the SECCG, he can't pull that off year after year. There's enough of a track record to say that. For Miles to meet expectations it has to a special year... it's not going to happen consistently. Consistently is what I was pointing out. I fully expect you won't see that, being defensive and all. But that's fine, there's plenty of us that do. One time of meeting expectations doesn't erase all the times you don't, with better talent.

the MAIN issue of our recruiting isn't the rankings it's the distribution of players we sign. we sign a bunch of 4 and 5 star guys at the skill positions and can't even put them all on the field.

the big winning teams don't sign as much of those guys as we do and still kick our arse. it's called blocking and tackling; they are signing the kick arse linebackers, DL and OL. these are the guys that win football games (mostly).

coach O is helping and i'm sure Aranda is also but we need another coupla of classes to get back on top.

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You must be really stupid. Okie St was a dumpster fire before Les Miles

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He didnt do that great at Okie state

from 21-24 to 28-21

.4666 to .577 win pct.


That is not the type of coach LSU should be hiring. But, we were handcuffed with Saban leaving late

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Turned that program around huh

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to a point, yes he did

The rankings are more bullshite than anything.

Every other team in the country would struggle to beat Saban, including Michigan.

So LSU has played a team that finished in the top 2 or made the playoffs every season except 2005. I don't know if anyone outside the sec West can even say that.

When you see LSU ranked 20, I guarantee there aren't 19 teams better than them. Especially when a team like Marshall ranked ahead of them.

Don't play the same schedule, don't have to play auburn, UF, Bama every year. All three of those programs are capable of winning championships and have recently.


So he played the title winners in 06. Won it by beating #1 osu in 07. Played the title winners in 08,09,10. Beat the #1 team and won the sec in 11. Played the title winners in 12, beat the #2 team in 13. Played a team that made the playoffs in 14. Played the title winners in 15.


For every freaking coach out there, they would have lost those games too. Yeah Hugh freeze, blah blah, but then his team can't beat Memphis.

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Simmons went 26-30 in 5 years. So the program went from an avg of 5 wins per year to 7 wins per year. Turned that program around huh

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Yeh, that has always been a myth. He didnt really do anything great at Okie. Gundy has, but not Les

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to a point, yes he did

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Not to the point a school in our position would even think about hiring in good circumstances. But, like I said, with out timing we had to settle for a very meh hire

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He didnt do that great at Okie state

from 21-24 to 28-21

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Look the "records" isn't really the point. That program had a million negatives going for it when Miles took over. The Oklahoma State people themselves say Miles set them on the path that has been pretty good since he left.


Again, you cannot be a HC for 15 years with Miles record and be some dumb hick coach. It just plays into this board's mentality and they run with it. It has become quite ridiculous

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Look the "records" isn't really the point.

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The Oklahoma State people themselves say Miles set them on the path that has been pretty good since he left.

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bullshite. They will tell you it was on the downslide, and Gundy saved it. Miles did well in year 2 and 3, but his last year was a downward slide. And Gundys first year was 4-7 because the program was not going in a good direction. But Gundy turned it back around, and any Okie lite fan will tell you that

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he took a school that was trending downward and turned program around to start winning again?

is that so hard to understand?

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Well you skip the part of how he started trending it downward again