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re: Freshman Punt Returner
Posted on 7/24/15 at 7:14 pm to TigerFanFromBama
Posted on 7/24/15 at 7:14 pm to TigerFanFromBama
Guice will do just fine
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 7:29 pm to KG5989
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You do realize that White averaged like 11yards per return, which was the highest since PP7 in 2009 or 2010 and better than both TM and OBJ....
Nope. It was only higher than what Beckham did. Mathieu was 5th in the country with 15.59 and 2 TDs and one of only 3 people with multiple returns. White only had 10.92.
I hate when people say they don't want Fournette on KR, yet White should be good to go on PR. White was never dynamic, only slightly above what Beckham did in 2013.
Fournette, on the other hand, is in line with every kick returner including Holliday, Peterson, Ford, Claiborne, and Beckham.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 7:39 pm to Datbayoubengal
You right... Somehow I missed TM in 2011.
But White averaged 2 more yards than OBJ did in 2013. Not really what I wousl call slightly close.
And where did I say I don't want LF in kick returns? I was 1 of the few that defender him all season long and liked him back there. But with the increase in workload that we are going to see from him this year, I don't think it's worth it having him back there. He's gonna need as many breaks as he can get.
But White averaged 2 more yards than OBJ did in 2013. Not really what I wousl call slightly close.
And where did I say I don't want LF in kick returns? I was 1 of the few that defender him all season long and liked him back there. But with the increase in workload that we are going to see from him this year, I don't think it's worth it having him back there. He's gonna need as many breaks as he can get.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 7:53 pm to KG5989
"I don't get tired"
- Leonard Fournette
- Leonard Fournette
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 7/24/15 at 7:53 pm to KG5989
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And where did I say I don't want LF in kick returns? I was 1 of the few that defender him all season long and liked him back there. But with the increase in workload that we are going to see from him this year, I don't think it's worth it having him back there. He's gonna need as many breaks as he can get.
I didn't say you, I said people (sorry for wording it like that). I just hate to see people say Fournette was not good at returning kicks then at the same time say White is good at returning punts.
And I agree that he should not return kicks as well for the reason you mention, but I also hope there is competition at PR, because we have some very dynamic freshman coming in and you shouldn't hold them back just on fear of a mistake. Mathieu was about as daring as they come and he was the reason for major turnarounds in 2 games we were losing in, in 2011.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:43 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:Fournette won't be back there unless he is the primary guy. If you look at our history of deep men under Les, there is always a #1 guy and a #2 guy who has great hands, solid but not spectacular running with the ball, and primarily a tough lead blocker (Brooks, Magee, etc). Jackson is not that guy and we won't risk Fournette in that role.
Going to be Jackson and Fournette on kick returns. Wouldn't be surprised to see Jackson on punt returns. Othwerwise - probably Tre White.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:56 pm to wish i was tebow
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PP7 TM7
It's not like TM7 was great all year at PR. He finally got a td in the last game of the season and then went crazy in the SECCG.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:57 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Mathieu was 5th in the country with 15.59 and 2 TDs and one of only 3 people with multiple returns.
Right because of the last game of the year and the seccg.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:11 pm to Datbayoubengal
He is good at it just longevity! Need him for the season!
What about TQ on punts? Or in rotation
What about TQ on punts? Or in rotation
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:57 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Right because of the last game of the year and the seccg.
So?
So it paid off.. huge. TM7's return game vs Georgia kept us in that game and allowed us to take it over.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:03 pm to Ghosttigerball
I guess I need the rant to educate me. I've been following LSU football for 50 years. I know I'm old but I started very young. Perhaps my memory is fading.
Trey White and Leonard Fournette are the just the latest examples of "star" players LSU has employed in the return game. Obviously LSU doesn't want these guys to get injured.
My question simply is any statistical evidence available that indicates a returner has a higher chance of getting hurt than on a typical offense or defense play?
The reason I ask is because I cannot recall a "star" getting hurt for LSU returning a punt or kick off. In some ways this goes back to Tommy Casanova and apparently even Billy Cannon(way before my time) but certainly since "Fast Eddie" for you younger fans. Yet every year people come on here and question why a "star" is on returns fearing an injury.
The reason in my mind is that you have a future NFL player in space on a return much more likely than on a set play.
Trey White and Leonard Fournette are the just the latest examples of "star" players LSU has employed in the return game. Obviously LSU doesn't want these guys to get injured.
My question simply is any statistical evidence available that indicates a returner has a higher chance of getting hurt than on a typical offense or defense play?
The reason I ask is because I cannot recall a "star" getting hurt for LSU returning a punt or kick off. In some ways this goes back to Tommy Casanova and apparently even Billy Cannon(way before my time) but certainly since "Fast Eddie" for you younger fans. Yet every year people come on here and question why a "star" is on returns fearing an injury.
The reason in my mind is that you have a future NFL player in space on a return much more likely than on a set play.
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:31 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Right because of the last game of the year and the seccg.
So are we going to omit White's PR from Kentucky as well? Are we going to omit it because it was against Kentucky? Because if we are, it lowers him to 8.53 avg.
For reference Mathieu's was against the #3 ranked and #12th ranked teams when we needed a momentum shift the most.
So let's stop with this foolishness, okay?
Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:46 pm to Datbayoubengal
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o are we going to omit White's PR from Kentucky as well? Are we going to omit it because it was against Kentucky? Because if we are, it lowers him to 8.53 avg.
When did I say omit them? I just TM7 wasnt this great punt returner all year in 2011. He never hurt us but he didn't shine until the last game of the season.
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For reference Mathieu's was against the #3 ranked and #12th ranked teams when we needed a momentum shift the most.
So let's stop with this foolishness, okay?
The foolishness of stating facts? At no point did try to diminish what TM7 did in 2011
Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:48 pm to SouljaBreauxTellEm
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So it paid off.. huge. TM7's return game vs Georgia kept us in that game and allowed us to take it over.
Do I deny any of this? All I said was TM7 wasnt a punt return force until the last game of the year. Nothing more. At no time did I say omit what he did.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 12:11 am to TigerFanFromBama
Trindon was thrown out there as a freshman and dropped a few didn't he?
Posted on 7/25/15 at 7:55 am to NotRight37
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Yet every year people come on here and question why a "star" is on returns fearing an injury.
I'm more concerned that said star player would be on the sidelines getting IV fluids during a game-winning drive.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 8:14 am to Datbayoubengal
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And I agree that he should not return kicks as well for the reason you mention, but I also hope there is competition at PR, because we have some very dynamic freshman coming in and you shouldn't hold them back just on fear of a mistake. Mathieu was about as daring as they come and he was the reason for major turnarounds in 2 games we were losing in, in 2011.
Fear of mistakes is definitely a reason to bench freshmen ballhandlers, or any ballhandlers! I liked Tre once he secured the ball, but my heart was in my throat half the times he caught a punt. He never fumbled, though, so I guess the coaches knew what they were doing. If the freshmen prove in practice that they are reliable then play them.
I am still in favor of Fournette returning kicks. He was great last year. I do not think our blocking was great. But Fournette got the ball out quickly, preventing the wide defenders from pinching around what's left of the wedge; he picked seams decisively; and he finished with power and authority. I loved watching him scatter defenders like bowling pins.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:11 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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When did I say omit them? I just TM7 wasnt this great punt returner all year in 2011. He never hurt us but he didn't shine until the last game of the season.
It's not like a punt returner just breaks them all the time. Would it have been any different had he broken one game one, game two, and then none later on? That's what I'm talking about. if you watched Mathieu he always looked like he was close to breaking one. It doesn't matter when they happened. He was one of only three people that returned multiple punts for scores that year.
If you take away his two TDs he still averages 12.68. That would have ranked him 8th in the country last year. So yes, seems like he was pretty damn good.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:16 pm to Datbayoubengal
Get the ball in Donte Jackson's hands.
Any way possible.
Any way possible.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 2:26 pm to Party At LSU
skylar green, pre-ankle injury, was so good at making the first guy miss
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