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re: For the "Let's throw Harris to the wolves and see what he can do" crowd....

Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:24 pm to
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:24 pm to
everyone can see what is down the road... guess miles is going to keep doing the same thing.

too stubborn. it's going to cost him.
Posted by Grit-Eating Shin
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:24 pm to
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Posted by BillyBobfan24_7
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:29 pm to
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Put it this way, do you believe Jennings is ready for the SEC schedule based on how he's performed thus far?


Crap, I agree with Egg. Anyway, not every QB or person for that matter is going to respond the same to a similar situation. Sometimes people benefit from added pressure and sometimes people fail. You won't know how Harris is going to respond to the situation until he faces it and faces some adversity.
Posted by GeauxstsofLSU
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:31 pm to
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Jarrett Lee was thrown out there in 2008 and told "go do it" and he did a LOT of good things....but he sure did make a lot of mistakes too. He was given too much to handle too quickly and he showed both good and bad. Granted, it was a lot out of necessity due to the clusterfrick that was Ryan Perrilloux, but the example is still valid.


I think you're forgetting that the other two options were Jordan Jefferson, a true freshmen, and Andrew Hatch, a Harvard transfer that couldn't throw the ball more than 25 yards.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:39 pm to
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a few weeks back after the scrimmage I pretty much said if jennings is the guy our OL and D better be dominant.....well we're 0-2 there

Jennings simply isn't capable of the type of play we'll need to compete against the better teams. If we have to eat the occasional turnover while Harris learns, so be it.


This is exactly how I feel. I 100% thought Jennings was the QB for us this year based on the fact that we should have had a dominant run game and great defense. I did not think Harris was ready, and I did not think it was necessary to throw him out there this year (that was before MSU).

We do not have the other pieces to win 10 games or even 9 games with a game manager. I know this is Debbie downer talk, but how does anybody see us beating Ole Miss, Bama or Auburn with the way we are playing? At least with Arkansas, we could probably stack the box and rely on Robinson and White. I'm not yet ready to say our secondary sucks, so I am torn between if we could be TAMU or not. Garrett has been a monster for them at DE.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 12:57 pm
Posted by 756
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:42 pm to
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First, Harris is better than Lee. Second, it sure looks like we are "throwing Jennings to the Wolves". He doesn't seem like he can handle it. Give the next guy in line a shot.


+1000
Posted by TeLeFaWx
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:42 pm to
LSU's secondary will not be able to contain A&M's WRs. Speedy, RSJ, and Kennedy create too many mismatches and the depth beyond that is too good. A&M is a much better football team than LSU right now.
Posted by Vegas Bengal
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:46 pm to
So it's ok to throw Jennings to the Wolves but not Harris?

Posted by TnTigah
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:46 pm to
Why not throw him (Harris) in for a couple series each half. Gives Jennings time to absorb circumstances and greases Harris for when it is his turn........Just a thought
Posted by Datbayoubengal
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:48 pm to
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Goff wasn't one of them. He had to take some big lumps himself. The rest of the list looked good.


Goff wasn't bad, he just had no help. He was their whole offense and defense considering how terrible they were. He threw 529 times and only had 10 ints. That's 1 int per 52 throws. Mett had 1 int every 42 throws last year, and he was a fifth year senior.

Look at the difference between him last year and this year. Worlds better imo.
Posted by BillyBobfan24_7
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 12:59 pm to
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Actually the snaps in the ULM game shown he wasn't quite ready for prime time. Harris seems to be very good under certain conditions that LSU's OL can't seem to mandate. Grimes should've had control of this already before SEC play. The Center line up call is awful and an experienced QB is needed to sort it and over-ride. The soph QB is having a hard time and I doubt frosh is any better, but it's possible.


Jennings is not seeing the blitz, secondary coverages, or throwing accurate passes on time. These are all reasons why you would start a veteran over a more talented but inexperienced QB. Jennings is going to get himself killed if he doesn't learn to read blitzes better.
Posted by Gregoire
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:04 pm to
Here's the problem as I see it: they know that Harris is the long-term solution at QB. Jennings has had an extra year in the system, so they feel more comfortable with him. The problem is not this year. I think that everyone felt like the team wasn't in a situation to compete for a national title.

The problem is next year. Everyone assumes that Harris is Jarrett Lee. That if we play him as a true freshman, that we'll destroy the guy. That ain't true. What's instead happening is that recruits and players alike are seeing Les play a lesser talented football player at the most important position on the team. Again.

Here's the thing though: every snap that Jennings takes with the first team slows down Harris' eventual progression. Even *if* Miles feels that Jennings knows the offense better, his glaring inability to read defenses once the ball is snapped and his tunnel vision combined with his absolutely craptastically slow release makes for a ton of incompletions. I'd much rather watch the best player at the position take the majority of the snaps in practice so that we're better prepared for 2015 and beyond. This season is effectively over as far as title hopes are concerned. Might as well make the best of it for the future. Otherwise, we're going to be watching Harris next year going through the growing pains he should have gone through this year.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 1:06 pm
Posted by GeauxstsofLSU
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:06 pm to
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A&M is a much better football team than LSU right now



Good thing they don't play for two more months.
Posted by horndog
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:07 pm to
We should throw nega-tigers to the wolves!!
Posted by kengel2
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:12 pm to
The only mistake about freshman quarterbacks is the expectation of them to play like seniors. Of course they make mistakes, go back and look at the stats of qbs that started their freshman years and then compare them to Lee's, he really wasn't that bad.

Harris would be the same way.
Posted by HeadChange
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:25 pm to
Dupre, Harris, and LF (amongst others) all need to be getting the vast majority of the snaps by being thrown into the fire. We aren't a developmental program. What's the point in recruiting elite talent if we are just going to hold their hand for their first year or two? They can't learn from mistakes if they aren't out there committing any. That stunts growth instead of enhancing it. They are the future. I'd rather take the lumps now than later. It's a good year for it too. Give them the opportunity to get experience and they might just surprise you.

Let them ball. They'll need time to find their game, best way to do that is let them play the game. Some may get their confidence shaken, may even wash out, but it's better to find out now rather than later
Posted by Tom Bronco
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:26 pm to
Jennings has one more year of practice and a couple of games experience on Harris. Not really a lot of difference as far as bringing them along slowly. The way to develop a quarterback is to play them, not sit them on a bench. I think Mettenburger would have been a lot better if he gotten to play a lot more in 2011.

When not making mistakes means that the offense never takes a chance to really move the ball then maybe we need someone to make some mistakes. We absolutely have to throw the ball more to loosen up the line for the run game.

Who would you rather have throwing it?
Posted by ShamelessPel
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:32 pm to
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I'd much rather watch the best player at the position take the majority of the snaps in practice so that we're better prepared for 2015 and beyond. This season is effectively over as far as title hopes are concerned. Might as well make the best of it for the future. Otherwise, we're going to be watching Harris next year going through the growing pains he should have gone through this year.


I don't get why empowering a young QB is anathema to the Miles era. If you're good enough, you're good enough. Miles makes them go above and beyond to earn their stripes. Both of these quarterbacks, Jennings included, are put in positions to fail. Jennings has the heir apparent, alpha male behind him breathing down his back. He's trying too hard not to F up and lose the starting gig. Now, Harris is going to have the pressure of playing perfect football or else he loses the job back to Jennings. Neither of them are comfortable. Neither are confident. It's a joke.

What if our running game and defense were good enough to mask how crappy Jennings was this year (9-3 or 10-2)? Does he go into the next year the starter as well? What does Harris have to do to supplant this guy at that point? Would anyone honestly expect Miles to entertain starting the Soph over the Junior who just went 10-2?

Every position on the field is up for grabs. Just show us you're better than the other guy. Except the QB or the defensive QB of course. Than we roll with the most experienced game manager.
Posted by lynxcat
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:33 pm to
Please see my: Out Athelte - Gameplan thread.

Put Harris is the shotgun and let the man play the game. Putting him under center is awkward and makes it harder to read the game anyways.
Posted by HeadChange
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:41 pm to
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When not making mistakes means that the offense never takes a chance to really move the ball then maybe we need someone to make some mistakes. We absolutely have to throw the ball more to loosen up the line for the run game.

Yeah, I understand Les' strategy in wearing down the opposition with our Oline and running game, but that's hard to do when they are starting and ending the game facing 8-9 man boxes. Not to mention when you get in a hole, it's time to abandon that strategy and get aggressive.

We need to be unpredictable. Go to Auburn, make the first down of the first series a 4-5 wide shotgun formation. Throw a quick slant or screen or something, or even attack down the field (or if you want to run then do a shotgun draw or something). Mix it up. Get their defense confused and gassed so when it comes to the fourth quarter and we have to sit on a lead, we can lean on our o-line and running game, coincidentally Miles' favorite.

Instead we use the lean-on running game the whole game. Mostly works with the aid of an elite defense (which many of us, probably including Miles, thought we had this year until Saturday) and/or an inferior opponent.

I'd love to see us come out in a spread. Harris and LF in the backfield, have Dupre, Diarse, Dural, and Quinn lined up, and just see what happens.
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