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re: For the "Let's throw Harris to the wolves and see what he can do" crowd....

Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:06 am to
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:06 am to
Harris would not have led team back against Wisconsin
He is more talented and that's evident
I still think it will take a combo of both unless you are mailing in this season
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
33474 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:06 am to
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Put it this way, do you believe Jennings is ready for the SEC schedule based on how he's performed thus far?


I have my doubts, yes.

However, to just hand that to Harris right now and say "hey kid, go beat Auburn all by yourself as the #1 QB" would be a bit irresponsible at this moment....just because I think that the coaches think that he isn't quite ready for ALL of that challenge just yet.
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:06 am to
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Jarrett Lee


You're doing Brandon Harris a disservice comparing him to Jarrett lee
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:07 am to
I don't think miles is gonna do that to Harris. he'll put him in and if he gets that deer in the headlights look and doesn't remember any plays, miles will pull him and put Harris back in.

I really don't see this year being a "put one QB in and stick with him no matter what" year.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79130 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:07 am to
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I have my doubts, yes.

However, to just hand that to Harris right now and say "hey kid, go beat Auburn all by yourself as the #1 QB" would be a bit irresponsible at this moment....just because I think that the coaches think that he isn't quite ready for ALL of that challenge just yet.
so basically, we have 2 QB's that are not ready at the moment.
Posted by Indigold
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2013
1702 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:08 am to
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However, to just hand that to Harris right now and say "hey kid, go beat Auburn all by yourself as the #1 QB" would be a bit irresponsible at this moment....just because I think that the coaches think that he isn't quite ready for ALL of that challenge just yet.


Somebodys gotta do it. If hes not up for the challenge, he doesn't need to be on the team. You're being ridiculous
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18498 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:08 am to
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Just because Lee threw some picks doesnt mean that a quarterback will get damaged if he plays as a freshman.
Lee throwing picks damaged Les more than it did Lee...
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38121 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:08 am to
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So what has Jennings showed you guys that makes you think he is so ahead of Harris?


Outside of the State finish (no rush), Harris hasn't done anything to show me he's ready. Obviously the coaches agree. Jennings isn't an All World QB, but he's not as terrible as people make him out to be.

Jennings is safe with the ball. And I think that's what the coaches see.
Posted by Indigold
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:09 am to
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Lee throwing picks damaged Les more than it did Lee...

True that
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
33474 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:10 am to
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so basically, we have 2 QB's that are not ready at the moment.


I think so...which is why I figure that for now, it might be best that we go 2 QB for the foreseeable future...until one or the other of them figures it out.

Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79130 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:10 am to
Miles always says that he doesn't recruit freshmen to NOT play, we recruit you to play, to be able to count on you when your number is called.

Look, when your veterans are not performing at a high level, you have to give your fish a shot and see how they respond. Some will swim, some will sink. But in this case, Miles can't afford to ease Harris in...mainly because it's his veteran QB that is sinking.
Posted by Indigold
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2013
1702 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:11 am to
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which is why I figure


Well shite, lets get you on the payroll
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
11875 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:12 am to
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I am not saying that I wouldn't like to see him play more...in fact, I WANT to see him play more. However, do we need to re-visit 2008 to see what "throwing a QB to the wolves" can do?


Wow, one anecdotal situation with a quarterback whose skill set is no where near Brandon's? If we are going to be anecdotal, who about Murray with GA? Or Pryor with OSU? Or Griffin with Baylor? Kellen Moore BSU? Were those teams better off throwing their QB to the wolves, both in those seasons and the long run? Hell Yes. See anecdotes go both ways.

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Jarrett Lee was thrown out there in 2008 and told "go do it" and he did a LOT of good things....but he sure did make a lot of mistakes too.


QBs will do that. Part of the process.

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He was given too much to handle too quickly and he showed both good and bad. Granted, it was a lot out of necessity due to the clusterfrick that was Ryan Perrilloux, but the example is still valid.


And Jennings has shown he cant hack it against top competition. 2 real teams and 2 terrible QB performances.
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Point being, Harris deserves more playing time and a chance to develop. However, do we really want to see him thrust into a role that is too much for him too quickly?


Too much based off of what? 3 snaps including 2 runs against wisky? 4/5 passing against SHS? A handful of snaps against ULM (wasted opportunity because instead of using the game to develop the QBs, we lined up with one receiver sets and ran straight)
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Wouldn't you all rather see him brought along at a slower pace so that he develops properly and isn't subjected to what Lee was subjected to?


Again anecdote. He is not Jarrett Lee, just like he is not the guys I named.

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Lee had to grow up by making his mistakes on the field for everyone to see and it took the Rantard fans 3 years to forgive those mistakes.


And 90% of us preferred him over JJ.....
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So let's not "throw Harris to the wolves and see what he can do", as others have suggested. Let us hope he gets to develop at his own pace and not too quickly just to satisfy the ADD, must win NOW crowd.


Playing Brandon has nothing to do with the must win NOW crowd. It has to do with giving our future QB meaningful snaps to develop and mature. Our sophomore cannot handle that. Lets see what the kid can do.

No one is saying pencil him in permanently for 10 weeks regardless of what is happening to him. But to say in spring there is little difference between them and see what we have seen this year - kid deserves a shot. NM St provides that shot


Posted by TigerRagAndrew
Check my style out
Member since Aug 2004
7217 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:13 am to
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so basically, we have 2 QB's that are not ready at the moment.


This is why attrition kills and recruiting is critical. Rivers should be starting but he sucks
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79130 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:13 am to
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Jennings isn't an All World QB, but he's not as terrible as people make him out to be.

Jennings is safe with the ball. And I think that's what the coaches see.
I'm not saying that Jennings is terrible at all.

He's a game manager, that's what he is. that's what they've coached him up to be.

This year's offense, however, cannot thrive with merely a game manager. It can't block, it can't run, and because of both, it can barely pass.

What I'm saying is that the threat of passing will help in all areas of the offense. Teams don't respect Jennings one iota with their constant stacking of the box. Would Harris change that?
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38121 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:14 am to
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Miles always says that he doesn't recruit freshmen to NOT play, we recruit you to play, to be able to count on you when your number is called.


Harris is playing. He needs to be playing even more. And I think he will.

Harris will eventually take over...if not by the end of the year, at least by the start of next season.

I just don't see starting him now is the proper way to go about it. Agree to disagree.
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
33474 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:14 am to
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why are we even wasting his redshirt, then?


Understand that when I say "bring Harris along more slowly" I don't mean let him come in and hand off in garbage time. He needs to play a lot...I just don't think that at this moment the prudent thing to do is to shite-can Jennings and say "ok Harris, the job is100% yours"

If Harris plays well for a good stretch of time, then I will gladly revise that. You just can't expect him to do it all RIGHT NOW.

I hope he plays a lot this weekend and absolutely lights it up.
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
29997 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:15 am to
At least harris can run on broken plays. Lee couldn't so he just chucked it to the other team when he was pressured
Posted by ThePoo
Work
Member since Jan 2007
60587 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:15 am to
Not everyone is a Lee case. In fact id say what happened to him is pretty rare. It is time to stop living in fear and being handcuffed by the past. You play the better QB

Freshman start all over the country now and even in our own conference. I don't see it as an excuse not to play someone anymore. The task of development is on the coaching staff and if the freshman can't outperform what I saw on the field Saturday (which I don't believe) then perhaps the staff should take a long look in the mirror at why this is a continual epidemic

Jennings is scared, panicked, and clueless back there...that doesn't work if you are a freshman, sophomore, or senior

If playing a talented qb early "ruins" him. There is something more wrong whether it's development, play calling, etc. a player shouldn't be ruined by a bad few games. I think that is a lame excuse to make in order to shift the blame from coaches that fail to develop and fine tune the talents of a player over his career

The player may be the problem every once in a while but when we are forced to look at the same problem year after year and good QB play becomes the exception rather than the rule then there is a definite disconnect somewhere in the chain

This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 9:17 am
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
11875 posts
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:15 am to
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Harris would not have led team back against Wisconsin



Based off of what? 3 snaps including 2 handoffs?

He couldn't have handed off to Hilliard which was the key to the comeback? Diarse wouldn't break away from a pass he threw?

The guy was 9 for 21 - and couldn't complete a 5 yard screen pass on several occasions. Lets not pretend he was Peyton Manning in that game.
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