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re: ESPN - "LSU could be a national title contender"

Posted on 6/24/15 at 9:18 am to
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
16857 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 9:18 am to
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We can be really good


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depending on


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Les' coaching


Uh oh.

This post was edited on 6/24/15 at 9:19 am
Posted by partywiththelombardi
Member since May 2012
11590 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 9:57 am to
Muscles and Rasco were mostly over hyped star recruits who never really lived or played up to their potential. Their production will be very easy to replace.

What I meant by the only real loss being Kwon is that well simply put Kwon's don't just grow on trees. He was a playmaker flying all over the field.
Posted by MrPackSix
Lakeview/God's Country
Member since Oct 2009
8220 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:25 am to
This program is good for at 3 losses per year now until we see otherwise
Posted by TigerAlum93
Member since Sep 2010
3006 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:31 am to
I've been saying this for awhile now and been called a Homer. I am a homer, but the facts are the facts. The combination we have now of talent AND depth is as good as I can ever remember. If we get any kind of average QB play, undefeated seasons these next two years is not out of the ques tion. We are simply too fast and athletic for most college teams. Other SEC West teams have the same issues at QB that we do! Bama is the only team that rivals our talent and depth, as well as coach's salaries.

Come on BH6!
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:36 am to
I think people are underselling just how awful Anthony Jennings was last season. Here's his line:

111/227, 1611 yards, 7.1 YPA, 11/7 TD/INT, 118.33 RATING

He ranks 86th in passer efficiency, and failed to rank in the top 100 in yards/game or in TD's thrown. And even with QB play that was among the worst in all of D1, LSU went 4-4 in the toughest conference in America. If LSU even gets competent QB play, and I don't mean good or even above average, just competent, in the Arkansas and Bama games, LSU wins the SEC West (with a 6-2 record, we would've taken the tiebreakers)

Think about that. Despite posting near historic levels of QB incompetence, LSU was on the cusp of winning the SEC West. That's how good the rest of the team is.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37203 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:36 am to
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Same thing in 2014 draft. Lost our starting QB, top 3 WRs, starting RB (2 of the top 3), starting LG, and starting FB. Adding in learning a new OL scheme and with barely and experience anywhere else, last year was bound to happen, and we were still very close to another 10 win season.
Let's not rewrite history here. AU and MSU were putting on the brakes at HALFTIME against LSU. It almost backfired on MSU, but we essentially got skulldragged in both games. And it's not as though LSU got better as the season progressed. LSU lost 3 of their last 4 games, including a 0-17 shutout loss to a team that hadn't won an SEC game in 2 fricking years.
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
5995 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:37 am to
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Why would we be significantly better than last year?



I was wondering the same thing. What, if anything, has changed??


1. The only SEC team we play that returns more starters is Ole Miss.

2. Coach O will improve the D Line. We had 19 sacks last year. We've had under 20 sacks just twice (I believe) since 2001. 3 more well timed sacks and we would've been in the SEC championship game.

3. Harris accounted for almost 50 percent (45 percent) of the points from the QB position in 19 percent of the playing time. When you calculate Net points based on turnover ratio - he accounted for more points! There's no doubt that the QB position will be serviceable if not head and shoulders better with him at the helm. Don't bring up Auburn. It was a bad call by the staff. Harris still accounted for more yards than Jennings and never saw the field again (for all intents and purposes).
Posted by HC87
Coastal NC
Member since Dec 2014
4557 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:38 am to
Exactly. OL returns 3 starters with good depth, WR/TE all return. Stable of physical, fast RBs led by LF. DTs are back, with good depth. New, more dynamic DE pass rushers are getting reps. MLB is back! OLBs (Jones/Louis) can hit and run. DB's collectively might be the best in the nation. What's not to like? Harris needs to be ready to play. Laser throws with his arm, and smart decisions with his feet to make plays, extend drives, and lead!
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37203 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:42 am to
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3 more well timed sacks and we would've been in the SEC championship game.
Wut?

3 more well times sacks wouldn't have equaled 3 more SEC wins. LSU was 4-4 in the SEC last season.
Posted by YouAre8Up
in a house
Member since Mar 2011
12792 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:50 am to
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This program is good for at 3 losses per year now until we see otherwise
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
5995 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:52 am to
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Wut?

3 more well times sacks wouldn't have equaled 3 more SEC wins. LSU was 4-4 in the SEC last season.


Granted.. It could be a stretch, but I figure that definitely would've won Miss. State, and Bama. I think the team would've come out a lot different against Arkansas had we not suffered that deflating loss to Bama.
Either way, only Vandy had less sacks than us, and we were still in the SEC champ picture up to the Bama game.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 12:02 pm to
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It was a bad call by the staff. Harris still accounted for more yards than Jennings and never saw the field again (for all intents and purposes).


What???

The LSU offense under Harris was substantially more productive in the 2 games before Auburn than anything Jennings showed. Geez, it was night to day different! The overwhelming opinion was to give Harris a shot, but after the fact it's "a bad call by the staff". 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful gift us fans.

Harris has told us he had a injury in the Auburn game which limited his playing time.

Posted by Ragin' Tiger
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2012
972 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 12:16 pm to
I'm curious. How do you "loose" to another team?
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
203072 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 1:01 pm to
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Let's not rewrite history here. AU and MSU were putting on the brakes at HALFTIME against LSU. It almost backfired on MSU, but we essentially got skulldragged in both games. And it's not as though LSU got better as the season progressed. LSU lost 3 of their last 4 games, including a 0-17 shutout loss to a team that hadn't won an SEC game in 2 fricking years.



As factual as this is ....Most on here will not agree with this... Homers and pumpers won't see this and try best they can to spin it another way and find excuses everywhere.......... Does LSU have talent??? AS good as anyone in the country if not the best overall in the country....QB play is horrendous and head caching is questionable more than it should be........ Sorry but I see 8-5 9-4 at best... The SEC will continue to beat each other up .......
Posted by TigerAlum93
Member since Sep 2010
3006 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 1:10 pm to
You heard it here, our best play is going to be Harris extending plays with his feet, Dural, Dupre, and Chark running deep, and Harris throwing it deep down field to one of them.
Posted by YouAre8Up
in a house
Member since Mar 2011
12792 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 1:39 pm to
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Harris has told us he had a injury in the Auburn game which limited his playing time.


I don't think that was the problem for Harris in that game, sorry.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26664 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 1:52 pm to
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Let's not rewrite history here. AU and MSU were putting on the brakes at HALFTIME against LSU. It almost backfired on MSU, but we essentially got skulldragged in both games. And it's not as though LSU got better as the season progressed. LSU lost 3 of their last 4 games, including a 0-17 shutout loss to a team that hadn't won an SEC game in 2 fricking years.


LSU lost to Bama in OT. We had 5 dropped passes, Alexander with the penalty that put us out of range to score the final TD, and then Chavis' s patented final drive collapse.

LSU lost to Notre Dame, where Chavis was on the phone with Sumlin that same day and players were told that he was leaving when they arise to the stadium. Not only could we not stop ND from scoring 28 points (defense hadn't given up more than 17 in regulation since the UF game), we again had a final drive collapse and they scored the winning FG.

That was a 10-3 season with all the problems we had just from the inexperience at so many positions.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
203072 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 2:46 pm to
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LSU lost to Bama in OT. We had 5 dropped passes, Alexander with the penalty that put us out of range to score the final TD, and then Chavis' s patented final drive collapse



And there it is....excuses....



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LSU lost to Notre Dame, where Chavis was on the phone with Sumlin that same day and players were told that he was leaving when they arise to the stadium. Not only could we not stop ND from scoring 28 points (defense hadn't given up more than 17 in regulation since the UF game), we again had a final drive collapse and they scored the winning FG.




More excuses..............



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That was a 10-3 season with all the problems we had just from the inexperience at so many positions.




You are wrapped around LSU too much and can't face reality... I noticed you didn't talk about the Arkie game....Reason??? Or just can't find any excuses............


Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
16857 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 3:11 pm to
Face it. The gumps have beaten us four times in a row. We are now subservient to them, until this team and coaching staff changes things. I don't care how "tough" we play them.

Every preseason now, we hear on here about our talent/how it will blossom/who we have coming back and how the gumps have lost so much talent/lost their quarterback/are rebuilding.

And every year now, we end up with 3-4-5 losses and the gumps end up in the playoffs/NC game.

I wonder why?
This post was edited on 6/24/15 at 3:14 pm
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
5995 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 3:19 pm to
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Geez, it was night to day different! The overwhelming opinion was to give Harris a shot, but after the fact it's "a bad call by the staff". 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful gift us fans.


Let me rephrase then. I think (and thought) it was a bad call to give Harris what was apparently a "make or break" shot in an away game against a top 5 (at the time) SEC team. If the decision to withhold him from meaningful play during the remainder of the season was based on injury and not his performance in the Auburn game, then so be it. Otherwise, it was a bad call.
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